Maximum Gravitational Force

[CraigD]

Ke tied to V^2, gravity working on a function of R^2...Energy equaly to mass at C^2.. lol, this is probably wild nonsense.. but high level quantum physics needs it to work with cirtain equations, im not sure if it applies quite in this manner though.

I don’t think the prevalence of “to the power of 2” (^2) in many Physics equations is wild nonsense, but coincidence.

 

The Energykinetic = Mass*Velocity^2 equation is a consequence of the definition of the basic definitions and laws of motion, and are the same in a space of any number of dimensions. But Forcegravity = Constant*Mass1*Mass2/Radius^2 depends on the universe having effectively 3 spatial dimensions. If we lived in 4-dimensional space, it’d be F=K*M1*M1/R^3. If it was a 2-d “flatland”, the equation would be F=K*M1*M1/R. If we lived on a 1-d “lineland” (almost too weird to think about) the force of gravity wouldn’t vary with distance at all (which might imply something like the whole universe being a single black hole, if we could bring ourselves to seriously think about it :cup: )

[Harry Costas]

The Universe has no age and is infinite.

 

If people think along these lines than maybe we could look at the universe in a different light.

 

Gravity is not radiation

[lindagarrette]

The Universe has no age and is infinite.

 

Good point. Time cannot exist outside the universe. Before the BB there was nothing, at least in our perceptual dimensions of space/time.

 

Time is a coordinate, or a means of locating events, so as long as there are events, time can be determined. I suppose that means if the events cease, then time is no longer relevant and essentially also ceases to exist. My brain can't handle that notion.

[arkain101]

Time is a coordinate, or a means of locating events, so as long as there are events, time can be determined. I suppose that means if the events cease, then time is no longer relevant and essentially also ceases to exist. My brain can't handle that notion.

 

I agree, frequencies and cycles give us the ability to count with patterns to create time. Essentially we are just counting up 1,2,3,4,5,6,7..... and call it time. but the feeling of time seems to be directly related to consciousness operation, and its variances

[Harry Costas]

Give it TIME>

[Little Bang]

Back to the original question, the max gravitational force would be when all mass and radiation of the universe is located in a single point.

[TheBigDog]

Back to the original question, the max gravitational force would be when all mass and radiation of the universe is located in a single point.

Would all the mass of the universe have a greater pull than half the mass of the universe? That is my question. It seems to me that black holes should create a runnaway process of increasing gravity. The only way it wouldn't be true is if there was a cap on the force gravity can exert regardless of mass, similar to speed of light. I have read through this, but I still think that based upon my observation and perception that it is true.

 

Bill

[CraigD]

It seems to me that black holes should create a runnaway process of increasing gravity.

Conventional theory holds (with a low degree of confidence) that this ”black hole era will last from about 10^40 to 10^96 year after the big bang. This model doesn’t have black holes more massive than a couple of galaxies. If all of the visible galaxies’s black holes combined, the era might last ‘til 10^131 years ABB.

 

According to this model, what causes the black holes to evaporate is Hawking radiation

The only way it wouldn't be true is if there was a cap on the force gravity can exert regardless of mass, similar to speed of light.

Because photons are bosons, and bosons don’t follow Pauli Exclusion there’s not theoretical limit on how strong their interaction (eg: a magnetic field) can be. This strength is independent on their rate of propogation, which is theoretically limited to the speed of light.

 

If gravity is caused by a boson (the “graviton”), as some theorists propose, it is likely to share this quality, implying no maximum gravitational force. There are theoretical problems with gravitons, however – they already break some boson rules by effecting photons, per General Relativity – so the answer to this threads question – “Is there a maximum gravitational force that an object can exert” - is, IMHO, still almost completely up for grabs.

[Harry Costas]

Max'm gravitaiional force would be achieved if the Universe all came to one spot.

 

Since the universe is infinite the probabilty of it happening is zero.

 

The life span of a Black hole cannot be calculated for the simple reason that we do not have enough info on Black Holes. One issue is that a Black Hole functions as part of a recycling process. What is ejected usually comes back in time. Unless it collides with other galaxies and blends in with other Black Holes.

 

As for Big Bang that is a model and a theory that has not been proven. Although many hang their huts on. This applies to many other theories.

 

The Big Bang has been under fire for the last 20 years and with recent deep field images many have ruled the Bang Bang theory as a non working model.

 

In the past I have listed many links to and for the Big Bang. If you need me to re-post them, let me know.

[Little Bang]

Max'm gravitaiional force would be achieved if the Universe all came to one spot.

 

Since the universe is infinite the probabilty of it happening is zero.

 

Where did you get this proof that the universe is infinite?

[arkain101]

Maximum gravity per given volume is maximum density. Density = gravity force on center of mass. Mass = relationship with gravity source #B

[arkain101]

erg.. right?

[coldcreation]

erg.. right?

 

OK, hello, I'm a newcommer to this thread.

 

Gravity, spacetime curvature, can only bend, distort 90 degrees from the flat Minkowski spacetime. This may actually be unattainable in the real world.

 

In two-dimensional plane one can imagine a bottomless pit of gravitational well. But in three and four dimesions this is impossible, as spacetime would bend back on itself.

 

Hope that helps.

 

CC

[Harry Costas]

The universe is infinite.

 

The parts within form units. Some of these units are sometimes called a unit universe.

 

With deep field images we see 12 billion light years in either direction.

These deep field images show existing galaxies billions of years old.

 

If the universe was formed by the Big Bang than we would see the start of it all. But! we do not.

 

The Universe is endless. The question is what is beyond?.

[Jay-qu]

You say we dont see the start? what do you suppose cosmic background radiation is from?

[InfiniteNow]

The universe is infinite.

 

The parts within form units. Some of these units are sometimes called a unit universe.

 

With deep field images we see 12 billion light years in either direction.

These deep field images show existing galaxies billions of years old.

 

If the universe was formed by the Big Bang than we would see the start of it all. But! we do not.

 

The Universe is endless.

You've inspired me Harry. Here's mine:

 

 

Dragons are purple.

Unicorns can make my sadness evaporate and sprinkle me with happy dust.

A leprechan lives in my ear.

Dancing fairies are what make the ripples on the ocean.

Oil and water mix into a perfectly homogenous state.

Neon green is a great color for socks.

 

 

What's the difference between my post and yours? I know I'm kidding so don't really need to support it. However, without support, the claims that I made and the claims that you made hold roughly equal footing. You can post a thousand googled links, but you'll still be wrong if you continue to speak in absolutes.

 

 

Cheers. :hihi:

[InfiniteNow]

Max'm gravitaiional force would be achieved if the Universe all came to one spot.

 

Since the universe is infinite the probabilty of it happening is zero.

 

Where did you get this proof that the universe is infinite?

 

Did Little Bang ever get an answer to this?