inside the sun Posted February 7, 2006 Report Posted February 7, 2006 How do you prove that something is the same, when everything is constantly changing, from its body, its personality, memories, to even our cells. Is there anything that constantly remains?How do you know that, that being, that went from catterpillar to crystalis to butterfly is the same being?Or that being the in picture there with blonde hair or no hair is the same one as the one writing this?:Waldo: how do you prove somehting is the same if everything is constantly changing? Quote
inside the sun Posted February 7, 2006 Author Report Posted February 7, 2006 the only thing permanent is change.yet there are somethings that exist outside of time, such as numbers, and their truths are permanent, 3+6 always will equal 9. Quote
gmacrider Posted February 8, 2006 Report Posted February 8, 2006 How do you prove that something is the same, when everything is constantly changing, from its body, its personality, memories, to even our cells. Is there anything that constantly remains?How do you know that, that being, that went from catterpillar to crystalis to butterfly is the same being?Or that being the in picture there with blonde hair or no hair is the same one as the one writing this?:Waldo: how do you prove somehting is the same if everything is constantly changing?It sounds like you're tracking towards Buddhism. You may want to investigate it further. Fascinating stuff - and it requires no belief in supernatural beings. Quote
inside the sun Posted February 9, 2006 Author Report Posted February 9, 2006 actually sir i have tracked some buddhism, it began by stumbling upon sidhartha and then reading a jack kornfield book, and then i met a very free spirited women that took me to meet a buddhist monk, and he blessed me, pretty sweet. But buddhism is def. my favorite religion..if you'd call it one. It doesn't mess aroudn with the whole fear thing, "if you don't believe you go to hell" in fact it doesnt even mess wtih the whole heaven and hell concept..that's one thing i love about it Quote
Drip Curl Magic Posted February 9, 2006 Report Posted February 9, 2006 The only consistancy in life are the changes that occur.:hihi: Quote
Drip Curl Magic Posted February 9, 2006 Report Posted February 9, 2006 actually sir i have tracked some buddhism, it began by stumbling upon sidhartha and then reading a jack kornfield book, and then i met a very free spirited women that took me to meet a buddhist monk, and he blessed me, pretty sweet. But buddhism is def. my favorite religion..if you'd call it one. It doesn't mess aroudn with the whole fear thing, "if you don't believe you go to hell" in fact it doesnt even mess wtih the whole heaven and hell concept..that's one thing i love about it I, personally, am a huge fan of Toaism. Live and let be. Yin yang.... balance and cycle. Quote
Drip Curl Magic Posted February 9, 2006 Report Posted February 9, 2006 the only thing permanent is change.yet there are somethings that exist outside of time, such as numbers, and their truths are permanent, 3+6 always will equal 9. That's kind of getting into the "did we create math... or did we discover math" topic. I'm actually not sure if 3 + 6 is always going to equal 9. why? because what happens after humans go extinct? perhaps there will be another culture or race of beings that will label these ammounts with their own symbols... but lets say that the universe were to implode in upon itself.... and then there was another big bang. there could be a whole new universe with completely different dimensions and physics. This could make it so that numbering systems will be different. Maybe there won't even be a way to make a numbering system in the new universe? who knows? just a thought.... Quote
Racoon Posted February 9, 2006 Report Posted February 9, 2006 Its " The only 'constant' is change !" :hihi: Not 'permanent', but well conceived nonetheless.. Beastie Boys now playing!!!! :) :hihi: Quote
inside the sun Posted February 9, 2006 Author Report Posted February 9, 2006 because what happens after humans go extinct? perhaps there will be another culture or race of beings that will label these ammounts with their own symbols...no matter what the symbol is the value is still the same. jut like hello in english and hallo in german still mean hi. six or sechs or whatever it is in spanish is still 6. even if its like &*& Quote
Drip Curl Magic Posted February 10, 2006 Report Posted February 10, 2006 you seem to have missed the second half of my post, mr. sun. Another big bang could possibly create a universe with new dimensions. new dimensions could mean ANYTHING. it may not be possible to create a new counting system- depending on how the dimensions come out. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe number ARE constant. but who really knows? if it was possible to create a universe with no such thing as numbers- how would a race of beings so number oriented be able to comprehend it? Ya catch my drift? :hihi: Quote
inside the sun Posted February 10, 2006 Author Report Posted February 10, 2006 i do. philosophers believe numbers exist outside of our universe. so big bang or no big bang, numbers are still there.Numbers are weird.another big bang would be weird.anything is possiable though you know, anyone'd be ignorant to totally shut out any possiablities. Quote
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