alexander Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 how about we invent a micro GPS locator, that would tell parents where their kids are within a few feet, anywhere on the planet and put them in a watch or better yet embed them under the kid's skin? no not being sorcastic, or serious, so dont get upset TBG, you are in many ways right in your point, for parents it would be benefic to use such devices, just trying to make a point.My point is, that remote location technology is good, but one, it violates some privacy views (such as mine) and two, it can be used for both good and bad; imagine a maniac that has the ability to remotely track their victims... scary now, aint it? Quote
TheBigDog Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 I am really not a fan of "under the skin" technologies on humans. I don't mind doing it with my dog if it help identify him and get him back home. But my dog is not a person and thus subject to different rules. (to animal lovers - please lets not debate this point here) I don't think this will happen in public spaces any time soon. It will happen in controlled private spaces like theme parks where the owners are doing it as a safety feature. It could pay for itself through reduced liability. And it gives an opportunity to perfect the technology. GPS has as big a future as RFID. It is one of the greatest public works projects ever done. Free to the world via the taxpayers of the United States. All of these thechnologies will need safeguards. But in the end you will need to trust a system and unknown people to the information. It is hard to predict what the weaknesses will be. Bill Quote
alexander Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 thanks for the understanding of my concerns once again, TBG, one thought though, no system is perfect and any system that is not perfect may and will get abused.... Quote
Binary_Branflakes Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 I have been tracking this RFID stuff since it first started being talked about, what...about six years ago or so? (i don't recall exactly) reason being, I keep my "ear to the ground" being a Christian & all. (or try to) And I'm not a fan of "Big Brother"...and if I had the money i think i might move out of the U.S. because of the fact that our government has become much worse than most communisitic countries, because they aren't upfront with the tyranny like...say China...but they are sneaky and are doing all of this underhanded junk in the name of "safety" and "anti-terrorism". 'Ole Ben Franklin said it best, "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." And the personalized marketing stratgegies proposed to use with RFID, that just reminds me of the move "Minority Report" where Tom Cruise's character is walking through that building and those billboards and ads are calling his name and "Spamming" him by reading his retinas. if it's been a while since you have watched that movie, refresh and you will see the similarities. can you imagine a life like that?? And the car thing, when a warrant was put on for his arrest his car automatically changed routes to turn him in! (i know it's a movie, but hey...it isnt' THAT fiction these days...) in the words of "Cereal Killer" off of the movie Hackers, "1984, Orwell is living large, NOW!" :confused: Quote
Binary_Branflakes Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 well, when it starts, I hope we can "install" pop-up blockers and ad-removal software in our brains! :confused: :hyper: Quote
InfiniteNow Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 FYI man, alright. You could sit at home, and do like absolutely nothing, and your name goes through like 17 computers a day. 1984? Yeah right, man. That's a typo. Orwell is here now. He's livin' large. We have no names, man. No names. We are nameless! We have just gotten a wake-up call from the Nintendo Generation. Spandex: it's a privilege, not a right. Quote
Binary_Branflakes Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 We have just gotten a wake-up call from the Nintendo Generation. Spandex: it's a privilege, not a right. LOL! yeah, that's it!! love it!!! :confused: Quote
InfiniteNow Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 That movie was my first view of Angelina Jolie. Then, I got to see Gia... whew. That girl can act! :confused: Quote
Binary_Branflakes Posted March 6, 2006 Report Posted March 6, 2006 LOL! Ah, i see! LOL! I love that movie!!! It's just...a classic! :confused: Quote
alexander Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 so what do other people think about the horribleness of Wallmart trying to push RFID into the public market? anyone wanna join me on the side of the highway wiping the tags on the wallmart trucks with a coffeecan antenna and a laptop? anyone :confused: Quote
InfiniteNow Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 This may sound like a silly question, but out of curiousity... would a strong magnet (or some similar device) be able to disable the RFIDs? Quote
TheBigDog Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 My company has the best gen2 tag technology and can produce at rates better than any of our competitors so it is good for me (especially if I can get into the RFID division). For the public in general it is also going to lower the supply chain costs and in turn remove cost out of our pockets for shopping. Not just at Walmart, but at any company that needs to compete with Walmart. By reducing non-value added costs it reduces the costs for everyone. It is a great thing. It is far from big brother. The ability to know all things about all people based upon embedded RFID tags is no more realistic at this point than the speculative space elevators in some of the other threads. I say this as a person who works on systems and processes for tracking materials through a controlled system. There are so many issues with data volume, data sourcing, accuracy, time stamping, actually getting readings, etc, that it is a challenge just to make these things work in a factory or warehouse where the whole thing is built around just that purpose that I cannot imagine the complexities involved in understanding all the noise from the random data that would be pulled in through all the public systems. It is just to much. Worry in 20 or 25 years when we have made a couple more technology leaps. Bill Quote
TheBigDog Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 This may sound like a silly question, but out of curiousity... would a strong magnet (or some similar device) be able to disable the RFIDs?No. Bill Quote
alexander Posted March 7, 2006 Report Posted March 7, 2006 yeah he is correct, no, that is why i will be sitting with an coffee can antenna connected to a lappy, erasing the stuff. Quote
Binary_Branflakes Posted March 8, 2006 Report Posted March 8, 2006 yeah he is correct, no, that is why i will be sitting with an coffee can antenna connected to a lappy, erasing the stuff.:confused: :singer: :hyper: :circle: Quote
Turtle Posted March 17, 2006 Author Report Posted March 17, 2006 I listened to some talk radio on the RFID question as it relates to animal husbandry. Apparently the government (not congress, but 'agencies') is now requiring all husbanded animals get chipped & the owners must register & file regular reports on the animals movements, health, visitors, etc.. The regulations apply whether you have a single goat, or a herd of them & all the information is going to a central data base along with satellite imaging of the animals location(s). Off to find links.:eek2: http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtmlhttp://www.spychips.com/ Quote
alexander Posted March 19, 2006 Report Posted March 19, 2006 :eek2: that is just wrong... :rain: Quote
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