Time, Dreams, Humans

[ingannilo]

Hi.

I'm John.

 

Right.

I've viewed this more as something that happened to me. I'm regularly able to induce the state, but never before had I experienced complete dimensional freedom through time.

 

I find myself more often being pulled places than having direcional control. The experiment proposed, I agree to be a fantastic way to give evidance to this theory/concept/whathaveyou. If I find myself in what I suppose is refered to as a "lucid state" (being aware and in control of the situation) I can most definatly make an efforft to provide evidance for others.

 

I achknowledge that it sounds shady.

I understand it's hard to believe, and I'm not asserting anything.

 

I'm open to detailed suggestions.

My research to induce lucid states with 100% control will continue.

 

However, I am not optamistic.

 

I didn't start the thread, because I didn't intend on making this a public affair, but in retrospect, any feedback could only be helpful.

 

fire away.

 

John

[ingannilo]

Looks like a good idea to me. It could actually prove two postulates. First that time travel is happening. Second that there is only one future. If we have free will then there is no guarantee that what is seen in the future will still hold true when we reach the future. If we have no free will then this experiment would work without exception. Even if an individual had influence over what the future witnessed events were. So it is really two experiments. First a blind test of precognition. Second a test to alter events to invalidate precognition. I find this very intriging. :steering:

 

Bill

 

I do not, and to my knowledge most current philosophy supports me, believe that there is one future, but an infinate futures, in infinate dimensions. Every possible outcome, plays through in an infinate number of dimensions.

 

My academic knowledge on these specific matters, I'm sure is miniscule compared to others here on hypography, and perhaps a few words from these individuals could get us on the right train of thought.

 

John

[TheBigDog]

I do not, and to my knowledge most current philosophy supports me, believe that there is one future, but an infinate futures, in infinate dimensions. Every possible outcome, plays through in an infinate number of dimensions.

 

My academic knowledge on these specific matters, I'm sure is miniscule compared to others here on hypography, and perhaps a few words from these individuals could get us on the right train of thought.

 

John

I don't believe in one future either. I am suggesting this in response to some debates on this point on these hallowed threads. I am a free will believer.:steering:

 

Bill

[ughaibu]

An idea might be to read the following day's newspaper headline as this is likely to be decided in advance. I dont know if this equally applies to the link suggested by CraigD.

[InfiniteNow]

The region of time perception is in the temporal lobe.

This is the same region that we have our most powerful "religious/spiritual" connections.

Also, the region most heavily impacted by psychoactives.

Without negating the lucid abilities mentioned, some exploration into the overlap of above might prove useful.

 

 

 

 

Fyi... if I misinterpreted you Orby, you have my sincere apologies. Just when I read the post, it didn't seem like you. That misunderstanding is most likely all mine. Cheers. :steering:

[CraigD]

An idea might be to read the following day's newspaper headline as this is likely to be decided in advance. I dont know if this equally applies to the link suggested by CraigD.

It does - the principle is the same. I suggested a section of well-known public webpage that updates daily simply because it’s more available to all hypographers – who live in many different places around the globe - than a particular print newspaper.

 

The impression I get is that orbsycli believe the claimed time traveling to be objectively real, not a metaphor, an intuitive perception, or an hallucination.

 

What’s most critical, I think, is to actually carry out the experiment. Without evidence, the claim is just an extraordinary claim.

[Queso]

hey :confused:

forget about it.

It's beyond current scientific comrehension i guess.

Even though sorcerers 6,000 years ago had all of this stuff Mastered.

We're still so primitive, with our laptops and neck ties.

awww, how cute

the human **** his pants.

[Queso]

want to experiment?

K, first step

open your mind.

 

Then, go to sleep.

Become aware, concious, lucid while you are dreaming

and then do whatever you want.

 

Everything is inevitable.

Free will does not exist.

Break free from the physical world

and see what happens.

 

If you can't dream lucidly,

You can not experiment.

sorry.

 

I highly advise all of you to learn,

because this whole scientifical experiment is really stupid, and it's not going to work due to probability, and the uncertainty principle.

 

Like I said, Forget about it. I have this thread going very productively on other forums.

Here, it's pretty much dead.

[TheBigDog]

Everything is inevitable.

Free will does not exist.

...

 

because this whole scientifical experiment is really stupid, and it's not going to work due to probability, and the uncertainty principle.

It appears to me that this is a contradiction. :confused:

If everything is inevitable then probability and uncertainty do not play a role. If everything is inevitable then any real future seen must happen.

 

Bill

[Queso]

i can't figure out what plays a role and what does not, yet.

slowly but surely :SINGSINGSINGSING:

[CraigD]

want to experiment?

…

If you can't dream lucidly,

You can not experiment.

sorry.

 

I highly advise all of you to learn,

because this whole scientifical experiment is really stupid, and it's not going to work due to probability, and the uncertainty principle.

There is an important distinction, I think, in the main consensual scientific sense, between experience and experimentation. The usual modern explanation of this distinction is that an experiment must be able to fail – to “falsify” the thing it is meant to prove. A procedure, dreaming or otherwise, that can’t do this, isn’t an experiment in sense the term is used in Science.

 

I’ve dreamt lucidly – that is, known when I was dreaming - for nearly as long as I have memory. I recall, around age 14, discovering a book on the subject of lucid dreaming, and being astonished that many or most people didn’t experience dreaming in this way – to me, it seemed just the natural, ordinary way these experiences occurred.

 

My dreams fascinate me. I’ve kept a journal of them on and off since my teens (I’m 45 now). I’ve developed a pretty good catalog of dream peculiarities – for example: thrown balls in my dreams – and, as nearly as I’ve been able to determine, in everyone else’s, don’t follow a realistic trajectory; I’m unable to perform arithmetic of more than 2 decimal digits in my dreams, even with the aid of “dream paper and pencil”, dream calculators, etc; likewise, I can’t effectively read or write in dreams, although I can recognize and “write” ordinary numerals, letters, and punctuation; etc.

 

I frequently dream of places and people corresponding to waking reality, including times in the near and distant future and past. However, I’ve discovered that dream events have at best a very vague relationship to waking events (although they can be strongly connected to events that occur in the vicinity of where I’m sleeping). Knowledge gained from my “dream past” or “dream future” are only slightly useful in applying to waking life.

Like I said, Forget about it. I have this thread going very productively on other forums.

Here, it's pretty much dead.

I think one must be very cautious in how one relates dreaming life to waking. Although dreaming life can inform and enrich waking life, all sound experience and scientific theory of which I’m aware indicates that dreamt experiences are not experience of objectively real events, and that excessive consideration of the possibility that they are can be psychologically debilitating. On the other hand, the use of dreams for prophesy and other uses may unwittingly steer one along a path of charlatanism, where one ultimately does more harm than help to the people one earnestly wishes to help, and what seems productive work is actually the opposite.

 

Objective physical reality is intensely wonderful. I implore you, orbsycli, to keep it the foremost focus of your intellectual life. If one can maintain a truly open mind, open even to the possibility that much of conventional Science is correct and useful, reality seems unlikely to ever fail to delight and amaze.

 

(I just realized this thread is in the Watercooler! It’s a pretty serious thread for this forum, no? :confused: )

[Queso]

this is so crazy!

[InfiniteNow]

This thread reminds me more and more of this one:

 

http://hypography.com/forums/medical-science/5315-deja-vu.html

[Queso]

:hyper: :ebomb: ;) :confused: