What's better than punishment?

[TheFaithfulStone]

As official judge of the contest to find crime against blacks by whites commited by I find yours to be lacking.

 

What's interesting is I did a quick google search on this and I found ten pages of people quoting the same bogus statistic from Flawless Logic and VDARE - both hate sites.

 

Which JB, I'd like to curse you for introducing me to.

 

Still looking.

 

TFS

[J.B]

As official judge of the contest to find crime against blacks by whites commited by I find yours to be lacking.

Still NO ONE can find one story of a white man killing or raping a black women?

 

What's interesting is I did a quick google search on this and I found ten pages of people quoting the same bogus statistic from Flawless Logic and VDARE - both hate sites.

 

Which JB, I'd like to curse you for introducing me to.

You should not get your facts from "hate sites", Thats why I never go to those sites.

 

Here are some correct facts on this issue from a BLACK MAN on a Jewish web site:

 

In one recent year, the FBI recorded 1.7 million violent acts -- murder, manslaughter, rape, and aggravated assault -- of interracial crime. Of that figure, nearly 1.2 million involved black-white crime. Ninety percent of these cases involved a black perpetrator and a white victim. Thus, blacks, while comprising 12 percent of the population, committed over one million acts of violent crime against whites. On the other hand, whites, while comprising 70 percent of the population, committed about 100,000 acts of violent crime against blacks.

 

Look at hate crime. In 1995, the FBI recorded 7,947 incidents of hate crimes. But blacks, again while comprising 12 percent of the population, committed 27 percent of hate crimes. Whites, 70 percent of the population, committed 59 percent of hate crimes. And of the nearly one million black violent acts against whites, how many were driven by racial animus? During the 1992 Los Angeles riots, Damien "Football" Williams assaulted white trucker Reginald Denny. Williams clearly targeted Denny because of his race, even allowing a black motorist to proceed unharmed. But despite hate-crime laws on the books, authorities never charged Williams with a hate crime.

 

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder102600.asp

[InfiniteNow]

I should start a thread on the science of hate.

[InfiniteNow]

Still NO ONE can find one story of a white man killing or raping a black women?

Your logic is a beacon... That clearly means that it's never happened. That, or none of us care to yell at a deaf person.

[TheBigDog]

I should start a thread on the science of hate.

Hate is art, not science. :wave:

 

Bill

[HydrogenBond]

We should reward criminals for their actions. The worse the crime the more reward we should give them. This should discourage criminal activity since punishment is not considered a deterent. We should use reverse psychology. If you reward criminals they will get fat and lazy with too much good life and will lose interest in crime unless they run out of money. Thats why the payments need to be large enough to keep them in a lavish lifestyle.

[Queso]

Hate is art, not science. :hihi:

 

Bill

 

and there isn't science to art?

 

:hyper:

[InfiniteNow]

We should reward criminals for their actions.

Well, that's a possibility I hadn't considered. Lead me further down this insightful path. What would be a suitable reward? From where would the funding be derived? Maybe the victims?

 

Curious, and I can see some (emphasis on some) logic in this.

[HydrogenBond]

What we do is set a criminal menu. The bigger the crime the bigger the prize. The exception will be stealing. These get their own prize, which will be taxed a flat 20% rate to pay premiums to the rest of the criminals. We live in a world of specialists so there will always be plenty of good stealers to make the system work. There is no need for prison systems or police forces. This money can go back to the people so it can be stolen. If a good citizen gets a save, in defense, they get a double prize. If one tries to fabricate a save they only get a single prize.

 

I hope everyone realizes I am kidding. But punishment is heading in the direction of the criminal wheel of fortune.

[GreekTTC]

I have a few ideas.

 

Can you imagine what would happen if we actually made jails a horrible place to be? Just enough food to stay alive. No privileges. No visitation. Maybe have a tiered jail system with levels that correlate to the seriousness of the crime for which a criminal is jailed.

 

Rewards for good people. Yearly monetary bonus for non-criminal citizens. Like a yearly tax return. Maybe allow yearly non-criminals to receive a tax deduction for being upstanding citizens.

 

No more plea bargaining. If you did the crime…do the time.

 

I agree that it would be much more effective to prevent the development of criminal-minded individuals than it would be to try to persuade criminals not to break laws. We are not in a good situation. Criminals are being bred at alarming rates, and it all boils down to...and it's been said...FAMILY.

 

Example: Inner city youths idolizing "thugs," drug dealers, murderers, thieves and the like...with no one to tell them that it's wrong. Children with parents who do not teach them right or wrong are stuck. I am not a racist. While I enjoy hip-hop and rap music because I can appreciate the poetry and beats, most of it is crap. All of it is popular. Do you think the majority of inner city childrens' parents are telling them that 50-Cent bragging about being a "gangsta," being shot, and selling cocaine by the kilo is wrong, or are they playing the songs in front of their impressionable 10 year olds, and singing along with them?

 

Sadly, it's more than likely the latter.

[InfiniteNow]

Can you imagine what would happen if we actually made jails a horrible place to be?

By the time jail comes into the equation, the act has already been committed and it's already too late. ;)

[GreekTTC]

By the time jail comes into the equation, the act has already been committed and it's already too late. :doh:

 

Yes but modern jails are communities. Many criminals have more friends inside the walls than out. Hardened criminals sometimes prefer being in jail.

 

Removing anything and everything that makes jail bearable can only make the prospect of being locked up more unattractive. Boosts the deterrent aspect a bit.

 

I don't claim to have the mind of a criminal, but if I knew going to jail meant borderline starvation, boredom, no privileges, no visitors, no contact with the outside world and no mercy..........................

 

You get the point.

[InfiniteNow]

Does putting a dog into a cage AFTER it's killed your neighbors child prevent the dog from killing again (no matter how awful the cage is)?

[HydrogenBond]

The only problem with severe punishment for crime is that all crime is not created equal. At one time in Russia, if one read the wrong book, this was considered a severe enough crime to be sent to Siberia to work the uranium mines. This is not a crime at all, in any sense since it did not victimize anybody. Let me take that back, the government policy victimized it own citizen and suffered no penalty.Victimless crimes need to be treated differently than crimes that involve victims.

 

Things do not always add up logically in the American menu of crime. What would make you feel more victimized; if you caught you mate or spouse in bed with someone, or if you caught your mate or spouse smoking a cigarette in a public building? Keep in mind, in a logical criminal system, a worse level of victimization should be the worse crime and should involve the worse punishmment. In an illogical justice system things are subjective and stacked to suit the needs of leadership.

[GreekTTC]

Does putting a dog into a cage AFTER it's killed your neighbors child prevent the dog from killing again (no matter how awful the cage is)?

 

Erroneous analogy. As much as some people would like to believe otherwise, a dog's brain does not work like a human's. Dogs live in the moment. They don't correlate cause and effect like we do.

 

If you arrive home to find a 10 minute old urine stain on the carpet, walk your dog over to it and discipline him while pointing the stain out, he will associate negativity with a urine stain on the carpet, not with the act of peeing on the carpet. That's why poorly trained dogs will continue to urinate indoors, then become sad or depressed upon seeing the stain there in front of them. They don't put things together like we do. They don't think that you're upset with their action...but with the fact that there's pee on the floor.

 

So your example is not valid. But I get the point. Which brings me back to my reasoning. Jails aren't much of a deterrent for hardened criminals. Making them a worse place to be might just help a little. Do you not agree?

 

I don't claim that one change in itself would work, but as a part of a new or amended justice system, it could help.

[TheFaithfulStone]

Does putting a dog into a cage AFTER it's killed your neighbors child prevent the dog from killing again (no matter how awful the cage is)

 

Well, yes.

 

Until you let it out of the cage, and then it's meaner than ever and twice as pissed off.

 

We should just have the death penalty for everything more serious than jaywalking.

 

And public executions.

 

With donuts.

 

And cake.

 

TFS :phones:

[GreekTTC]

And public executions.

 

With donuts.

 

And cake.

 

TFS :phones:

 

Would I be able to get some milk?