Family Values: Abortion

[MagnetMan]

In nature we find various animals eating their offspring in times of crisis, in order to preserve the protein. Abortion seems natural enough to me.

Cannibalism is another issue entirely. Aborting a healthy futus is entirely unnnatural.

[pgrmdave]

Actually, many fetuses are aborted naturally by the mother

from Wikipedia:

Approximately 10-50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, depending upon the age and health of the pregnant woman.

 

So, abortion is natural in that sense.

[MagnetMan]

Actually, many fetuses are aborted naturally by the mother

from Wikipedia:

 

 

So, abortion is natural in that sense.

Okay. Restatement. A healthy mother aborting a healthy fetus is entirely unnatural

[InfiniteNow]

Do you have a life of suffering?

Some Buddhist principles indicate that everyone does.

 

Do you know people who do?

Absolutely. Many, in fact.

 

 

Is there a definite way you can decide whether someone else's life is worth living before it's even gotten underway?

 

Here's where it gets a bit gray, and I will concede that there is nothing which is absolutely certain. The clearest example that comes to mind is a severely deformed fetus, or baby with significant genetic abnormalities... I'd say let it die before it has the option of even beginning to comprehend suffereing.

 

Like I said though, it's a tough area to make clear. For example, what if it were my child? Maybe I'd want to chance it.

 

As an extreme example, when I posted originally, I was thinking of children born to drug addicted mothers who will leave it in a dumpster because she cannot care for it and other such awful acts...

[InfiniteNow]

There are no rights/wrongs in Religious Belief systems.

Thank goodness. For a while there, I was concerned that religion condemned acts like homosexuality, sex before marriage, sex with little boys, saying that the earth was not the center of the universe, that eating meat on Friday is wrong, that portaying the prophet in anyway is a profound incitement, that dot dot dot...

[ingannilo]

Being male, I've never had an abortion. I'm very close with multiple women who have chosen to go that route, and one that hasn't.

 

Us being entities of nature, and abortion occurring within our society, I'd consider it as natural as a crashing pacific wave... or nylon.

 

Once in a position where you have to decide between aborting an unborn child, or giving birth to it/him/her there are inevitable consequences that will follow the individual for the rest of their life either way. In the end it boils down the morality of the individual left with the decision, whether that's the potential mother or if she shifts that responsibility to another.

 

The girls I mentioned, who's names I'm not about to disclose (so they'll be girl's number one, two and three) have all survived their ordeals, and have adapted to the situations their decisions imposed. One manually aborted her child. I wasn't present, and can't imagine what the ordeal was like, and she's spent several years and countless dollars on therapy coming to terms, but like all humans of considerable intellect she has rationalized and moved on.

 

Girl number two got a medical abortion and seemed far less traumatized than girl one, although I can only speculate as to how the event really effected either of them. She was in highschool at the time, and has since moved on to a very good college and is working her way to a degree in computer science.

 

Girl number three is now living with a man, not the father of the child, who adores them both. The child is now three years old and although she was kicked out of her parent's home for the decision she made to keep the child, and the child's father ducked out on her as soon as he heard this, they're surviving, and the kid's doing well.

 

Myself, I believe that every woman should have the right to decide to abort her unborn child, but on a personal level I will never suggest it.

 

I should add that I knew these three girls when I was younger, and they were all living in their parents homes when they got pregnant, and that I'm not male half of any of these mishaps.

 

I hope this helps!

[MagnetMan]

Thank goodness. For a while there, I was concerned that religion condemned acts like homosexuality, sex before marriage, sex with little boys, saying that the earth was not the center of the universe, that eating meat on Friday is wrong, that portaying the prophet in anyway is a profound incitement, that dot dot dot...

I meant that there are no religions more righteous than another. How each interprete and project their Beliefs on society is another matter. But even there I hesitate to judge for without them and their ethnic passions, we would be a godless and spiritless specie.

[ingannilo]

I meant that there are no religions more righteous than another. How each interprete and project their Beliefs on society is another matter. But even there I hesitate to judge for without them and their ethnic passions, we would be a godless and spiritless specie.

 

 

I was about to poke at that one. You clarified just in time :hihi:

 

Good luck with your research!

[Boerseun]

...we would be a godless and spiritless specie.

...and what, pray tell, would be wrong with that?

[ingannilo]

...and what, pray tell, would be wrong with that?

 

CHEERS!

[C1ay]

I am researching Family Values for a documentary film. I will be posting several threads that explore this subject. It would be helpful if you contribute to this research with your views on <insert topic here>. If you could preface your view with a Y or an N to signify that you have personal experience, that would be even more helpful.

How interesting. You are soliciting input from unknown strangers on the internet for a supposed documentary. Are you trying to actually do legitimate science for your film by using unverifiable points of view that allegedly support your research? This seems a questionable approach to produce documentary grade information. Is it your intent to have the scientific community review and critique your work? Will unverifiable sources bias the judges? While your questions are legitimate I can't say the same of the research methods employed for your documentary.

[infamous]

While your questions are legitimate I can't say the same of the research methods employed for your documentary.

Excellent points C1ay, his methods are a bit suspect....................Infy

[Rebiu]

Myself, I believe that every woman should have the right to decide to abort her unborn child, but on a personal level I will never suggest it.

I agree.

[ingannilo]

Excellent points C1ay, his methods are a bit suspect....................Infy

 

 

As long as posting threads on hypography isn't the ONLY research being done. I presume that this is a small percentage of total information being collected.

 

at least I hope...

[pgrmdave]

He also has the same threads in another forum - http://www.philosophyforums.com

[MagnetMan]

He also has the same threads in another forum - http://www.philosophyforums.com

 

I also have thirty years of a global-wide research into family values. Those conclusions are in my book on Psyche-Genetics. I have also produced over 70 documentary film and televisions productions on social and spiritual development My work, though subjective, has never been adversely criticized before now. If I had known that some would object to this survey I would never have posted these threads on family values. One has aready been closed. If this one is also felt to be objectionable, then so be it. Close it too.

[pgrmdave]

I don't feel it is an objectionable thread, I merely wanted to point out that we were not your only source. What is the title of your book, and where can we view your documentaries?