Will World Peace Occur??

[GreekTTC]

The world needs to. But, as long as people care more about being rich and closing that lucrative international business deal with the Saudis...it ain't gonna happen.

 

Is it going to take proof of extraterrestrial intelligence for us to pull together and unify as Earthlings rather than adhere to our nationalities? Nothing is not connected. We're all in this together and whatnot. Until humanity accepts that and becomes tolerant of opinions and beliefs, world peace will ramain an impossiblity.

 

I love the ideas of a world government and world laws, but right now it's far from feasible. I have much more to say on the matter, but my good friend Glen awaits. Glen Fiddich.

 

Which reminds me of a funny: I like my women like I like my whiskey. Eighteen years old and all mixed up with coke.

 

Good evening.

[Buffy]

It always seems to be to someone's advantage to break the peace. Even folks who manage to gain unrestrained power seem to always crave more and self-destruct, but not before destroying many others. Some of these even use claims of moral superiority in their pursuit of raw power, leaving peace in pieces....

 

How do you get whirled peas if there's always some egomaniac who wants to tell everyone not to put honey on them?

 

So nice to see these guys crash 'n burn though! :eek2:

 

Jack, Duke and Delay,

Buffy

[Spiked Blood]

Hi Craig,

 

That's a helpful distinction; "local" violence will long be dealt with by local government. But international violence will require effective global government, until all nations recognize ethically superior ways of dealing with conflict between nations.

 

Regards,

--Saitia

 

What is Global government? Personally, I would NOT like to see that happen in my lifetime.

 

Everybody has an agenda. Politicians crave power. Global government, I feel, would be the first step on a ladder to world dictatorship. Strings are there to be pulled. Imagine a nut like Hitler, or Stalin..or god forbid, Bush! had a foothold in a global government. Power corrupts.

 

World peace will never occur, because right or wrong doesn't apply, only difference of opinion. Conflict is everywhere, it exists in our own minds. You can teach, educate, but you can't make people better.

[Qfwfq]

I certainly like there to be international legality, it can form between sovereign nations much the way it can form between individuals of a comunity. It can be the tribal chief, or by suffrage or whatever combination. The U. N. is a far cry from it, it has hardly moved from being a meeting between diplomats, but that's because several nations want it that way and there is veto power.

 

Politicians crave power. Global government, I feel, would be the first step on a ladder to world dictatorship. Strings are there to be pulled. Imagine a nut like Hitler, or Stalin..or god forbid, Bush! had a foothold in a global government. Power corrupts.

That's the difference between tribal chief and democracy.

 

I also disagree with Dave, that's like saying there's no point in having national law cuz if you do, it means there are criminals trying to break it.

[ingannilo]

I can only see world peace as happening if the general population finds something outside the world to band together to hate.

 

Call me crazy, but I don't see it working out well.

 

EDIT-- I thought twice and a third time on the matter, and remembered how little it matters. Sean's on the ball here. But I could see an end to inter-global wars through the introduction of extra-terrestrial conflict, whenever we get to that point.

[pgrmdave]

I also disagree with Dave, that's like saying there's no point in having national law cuz if you do, it means there are criminals trying to break it.

 

No,no,no, that's not what I meant. I simply think that world peace means that no one group is attempting to harm any other group - whether the groups are nations, terrorist organizations, organized crime, small bands of individuals or individuals. If there is the need for a law it is because some group of people is attempting to harm another, and thus the very act of having a law shows that your society has within it harmful groups of people. I think that these groups necesitate the law, not that the law creates these groups.

[Saitia]

Hello Spiked Blood,

 

 

What is Global government? Personally, I would NOT like to see that happen in my lifetime.

 

If you don't know what it is, how do you know you wouldn't like to see it happen?:shrug:

 

Global government must be composed of all nations-- nations that respect and agree to enforce world law; including global regulation of money and trade. So if a leader like Bush should choose to ignore the voice of his own people and the other nations of the world, withdraw from the global government and invade another nation-- like Iraq-- then the armies, navies, and air forces of the global government under the auspices of world law, kick his *** back where it belongs. No system which indulges in the fallacy of national self-determination will work, as our world wars have so thoroughly demonstrated.

 

 

 

Everybody has an agenda. Politicians crave power. Global government, I feel, would be the first step on a ladder to world dictatorship. Strings are there to be pulled. Imagine a nut like Hitler, or Stalin..or god forbid, Bush! had a foothold in a global government. Power corrupts.

 

Those are all legitimate concerns. We see how ineffective a toothless United Nations is in keeping anyone in check; certainly the architects of any effective global government must design a structure that can contain "a nut like Hitler" or an arrogant, ignorant man-child like Bush.

 

Governments are organizations created, devised, and evolving for the benefit of people. There can't be an end to the evolution of political sovereignty short of the appearance of a government of the sovereignty of ALL people. All other sovereignties are intermediate steps.

 

Thanks in no small part to scientific progress, wars now have the potential to be racially suicidal; so how many more wars must occur before we find the courage as a species to grant sovereignty to all mankind-- rather than some nation with the most heinous weapons :Guns: and grandiose illusions of power? :)

 

 

 

 

 

World peace will never occur, because right or wrong doesn't apply, only difference of opinion. Conflict is everywhere, it exists in our own minds.

 

It's not merely a "difference of opinion" if one nation says another nation should be nuked out of existence, and the other nations say that's "wrong.":naughty: Most conflict-- even in our own minds-- persists because of our refusal to espouse higher values discernible in superior meanings. When mankind recognizes the superior meanings inherent in love and peace, it will collectively move to ensure their ascendancy as world values. :confused:

 

You can teach, educate, but you can't make people better.

 

Global government isn't about forcing people to be better; it's about insuring all people are free and safe to live their lives the way they choose, under the rule of world law espousing the superior values of peace and love.

 

BTW, welcome. . . :xparty:

 

--Saitia

[InfiniteNow]

Magnify the disagreement seen on this one thread topic alone by every being on the planet and multiply that by each passing moment...

 

It will take a "phase shift" of some sort before change on any meaningful level occurs. I just need to figure out on what spectrum that phase is located so I can place myself there and become part of the critical mass required... the seed crystal is each of us.

 

Okay... I know what I mean, sorry if I didn't articulate it well enough so you can too.

[Guadalupe]

Yes! I believe that World Peace will occur after the rapture. :D

 

 

;)

[Saitia]

Hello Now,

 

Magnify the disagreement seen on this one thread topic alone by every being on the planet and multiply that by each passing moment...

 

I'm more interested in magnifying the agreement of the many millions of people who protested the Invasion of Iraq, and marched for peace; more people united against the war than ever before in the history of the world.

 

 

It will take a "phase shift" of some sort before change on any meaningful level occurs.

 

I wonder if you would expand on that. . . (I just started a project for an CD cover entitled "90° Phase Shift," and besides the obvious notions that spring to mind I'm at a loss to grok what a "phase shift" really looks like.)

 

 

I just need to figure out on what spectrum that phase is located so I can place myself there and become part of the critical mass required... the seed crystal is each of us.

 

Interesting! If you are able to figure out what spectrum the phase is located, how will you place yourself there?

What's a "seed crystal"? Where is it?

 

 

 

Okay... I know what I mean, sorry if I didn't articulate it well enough so you can too.

 

No no; let's work on it.

 

--Saitia

[Buffy]

Yes! I believe that World Peace will occur after the rapture. :Tupac:

Oh I *absolutely* agree! Once we get rid of all those insufferable Fundamentalists who get sucked off the face of the Earth nekkid, the rest of us will be MUCH better off and happier too! :evil:

 

Rayford Steele is John Galt,

Buffy

[InfiniteNow]

Hello Saitia,

 

Indeed it is a good idea to focus on the agreement rather than the difference. My intent was no to support disagreement, only to illuminate it's presence. There will always be more in common than different if that's your frame of reference, which is definitely a step in the right direction.

 

A phase shift means many things. An easy example (which I am making up as I go so might not be correct) is switching octaves in music. You can play a low C, a mid C, a high C, and a Juicy Juice... :cup: (jk) They're all "C's" but each are measured at different phase. How this applies to the current discussion is that many people think about peace, but their individual efforts need to spread to a larger group and at greater magnitude. Currently, the few drops in the bucket of people who want peace is a good start, but needs more momentum (i.e. mass and velocity).

 

The "figure out where the spectrum is and place myself there" comment was a literary tool to describe alignment with a thought process... nothing too much more. As for a seed crystal, it's a chemistry term. Basically, one little tiny crystal when nurtured in the right way will grow into something much larger and more powerful. This is used a lot in the semiconductor industry too to "grow" chips.

 

 

[squeezingEyesShutAndHopingReallyHardWithEverythingIhave]

My point was, that if even one of us finds a peace inside of ourselves, then that will spread to others, and the domino effect will continue until world peace is here.

[/squeezingEyesShutAndHopingReallyHardWithEverythingIhave]

 

 

Cheers. :confused:

[bartock]

If you do not believe it will occur, that will be enough to prevent it. It really is as simple as believing it to be possible and then proceeding to take steps toward that goal.

 

 

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i fully agree!

[α CMa]

We will have peace in my life time. I have faith in the human race.

[MagnetMan]

World peace will come when we graduate beyond our psuedo-intllectual teens and realize our adult responsibilities as caring parents and global stewards.

Far from being boring this new Nuclear Age consciousness will be fully engaged in the large scale engineering challenges of planet mangement. We will build new mile high cities that rid us of horizonal grid-lock and urban sprawl and make use of gravitational transportation.. Nature will be recovered. All farming will be under glass in greehouse skyscrapers. We will harness tidal and wave energies. We will tap into atmospheric thermal conversions energies. We will move ice from the polar caps to flower our deserts. Huge rafts will float on the oceans, growing grain and following the rain. Playground wars and bullies will be memories of our daring, gambling youthful past. All the technology is already there. Its just a metter of making a mind change and deciding to grow up.

[Tarantism]

Pipe Dream?

Beautiful fruition?

 

Will world peace occur?

Realistically and/or hopefully...

 

thoughts or No thoughts

 

while it is a nice idea, im afraid taht people just hate each other too much for world peace to occur. oh well. though, that is speaking in terms of nations. i mean, IM at peace with the world, until someone decides to desturb my existance,

[InfiniteNow]

Let's go about this another way...

 

http://hypography.com/forums/community-polls/6360-i-want-world-peace-yes-no.html