Will World Peace Occur??

[MagnetMan]

Why would one have to instill motivation?Why would any given aboriginal child be less likely to have motivation

(for math or anything else )than someone of a different genetic makeup?Honestly curious,

Ed

 

The transition from the relative perceptions of time and space enjoyed during the long Stone Age period of hunting and gathering, to that of agriculture, in which rough linear measurememnts related to seasonal planting and harvesting, was an essential step in evolutionary development. It initiated an enormously huge leap in human consciousness. Giving up the here-and-now and the naive thrill of the hunt for the tedium of a chore-based agricultural disicpline and the the future expectations of the farmer did not happen over-night. We invested over 600 generations in that Bronze Age milieu of social reorganization and agricultural-based measurements, before moving on from there to the finer linear measurements of industrial creafstmanship and even more complex national associations.

 

My Psyche-Genetic treatise on the evolution of mankind's social and spiritual development is based on the reasonable assumption (there is no way yet of phsyically measuring it) that 100,000 generations of ancestral occupational, social and spiritual disciplines are imprinted in our DNA sequence as essential behavioral inheritances. IF this were not so, we would be trying to civilize a chimapanzee with every new born. Each of thes foundational imprints are directly realated to increasingly sophsiticated artificial perceptions of space and time. (industrial, scientific etc)

 

The Bushman psyche has not been subjected to this evoltionary sequence. If you check dozens of my previous threads on the graduated evolution of human consciousness, you will see the logic behind my argument.

 

My statement is in no way intended to be racist. I have simply stated that Bushmen, since they have always and continue to live a hunter/gatherer way of life, are not genetically imprinted with the ancestral inheritance of more developed Ages - and therefore face difficulty in having to start conceptualizing artifical measurements from scratch.

 

I will admit to only a few weeks spent in the Kalahari with an uncontaminated family group ( the difficulty of safaring into the waterless Central Desert and remaining there for any length of time is emence) but during that time, the extreme difficulty of getting a highly intelligent adult Busman to comprehend the distance between our planet and a star, proved utterly impossible.

 

Poor math scores throughout Africa, and indeed the world in general, (except for China) reveal both the complexity and relevancy of my argument.

 

Since I have also stated that not only are all human societies directly descended from the Kalahari Bushman, but that we also owe them the foundation of our cultural intelligence, (metiiculous sharing ethic) this in itself, refutes any racist connotation.

 

I have engaged this argument on our collective evolutionary foundation in an attempt to explain the underlying reasons behind global social and spiritual misundertstandings and why the concept of world preace is so difficult to comprehend.

 

It explains why Africa lags so far behind the rest of the World in technological development - since it is only now emerging out of the agricultural milieu and barely three generations into industrial measurements. This argument does not slight them culturally - for I believe they are far less dysfunctional than 'so-called' more advanaced cultures that have been heavily script-indoctrinated and fight senseless wars over God, redundant political and commercial ideologies.

 

It explains why artificial measurements, which were once only a cog inserted into the evolutionary wheel to speed up technoligical growth, have now become the be-all and end-all of all existence - of social measurements - IQ - wealth - corner office space - and impirical insistence.

 

If I am to be labeled as racist - then it has to be anti-European to a limited degree, for the buck stops with us and we should investigate this area of staggered human development and the artificial nature of modern consciousness, far more comprehensively than we do at present.

[InfiniteNow]

Not racist, but certainly misinterpreting the data. You see a correlation and are reasoning causation. Again, no body is attacking you per se, just not agreeing with your premise and attempting to point that out to you.

 

However, each time, your ego gets bruised, and your "oh so perfect" premise seems less valid, so you seek to protect it by lashing out with your years and years and years of experience traveling in whatever... Instead of being a true scientist, and taking the criticisms seriously, and attempting to adjust your premise accordingly.

 

I think the vast majority of posts on this site have been both helpful and well articulated, not attacking. Yet you throw tantrums like a child and lash out yelling "NO."

 

And that's as close to an attack as I'll come. Chill.

 

At what point does the captain of the ship realize it's not a mutiny, and realize that they are, in fact, wrong?

[CraigD]

But show me one aboriginal child of unmixed genes who has mastered mathematics inside one generation and I will eat every word I have ever written.

For Americans, and, I expect, many more Australians and New Zelanders, David Unaipon comes to mind. He was full-blooded aborigine, and though his parents were prominent in their society (which, ca. 1850, still to some extend existed independently and along side the dominant white society), was of the first generation in his family to speak a European language, English. Although not a mathematician of sufficient ability to contribute original math, his applied math was of a level that most laymen would consider “mastery”.

 

MagnetMan has a point, though, that some ethnicities and cultures are nearly devoid of accomplished mathematicians and scientists. Unaipon, for example, is exceptional, and almost certainly owes his accomplishments not only to his own passion for science, but to the non-aboriginal culture that provided him with an education that enabled him to understand it.

 

It is likely that mathematical and related ability depends of the presence of particular genes, and possible that geographically and/or culturally isolated populations may have so few of these genes that almost no of its members have significant mathematical and related abilities. However, this relationship is far from empirically demonstrated with statistically rigor, and the state of the art of bioinformatics, neuroanatomy, and neuropsychology is far from being able to explain it as a sequence of molecular events. With increased ease of communication and transportation, genetic isolation is becoming increasingly rare. It seems to me likely that, by the time Science is able to answer questions of inherited psychological traits, “aborigine” will have become a term relevant only to history.

[Lancaster]

Just in case no one thought to put this:

 

"As long as there are men, there will be wars"

-Albert Einstein

[Alluvia]

 

To have peace without one must have peace within.

 

Alluvia

[IDMclean]

I think that we (as a species) will eventually see a reprise from war. The reason for this is rather practicle. Not because everyone will simply wish to play nice with one another, but because a Technologically advanced culture has better things to allocate it's resources to. War is not Economically Stable, nor is it sustainable.

[ronthepon]

Also, if somehow our ego is clearly, socially, scientifically, extensively recognised in the future.

[paigetheoracle]

Yes but it will be followed by light showers and a wind of change from the East! (War and peace alternate - neither is a permanent state of being: Get used to it, like the unpredictable weather (Yes I know someday they'll be able to control the weather as well as predict it but think how boring that will make life and that is why wars follow peace - we bore ourselves to death, then stimulate ourselves back to life [Keep those unclean thoughts to yourself!]).

[InfiniteNow]

Magnify the disagreement seen on this one thread topic alone by every being on the planet and multiply that by each passing moment...

 

It will take a "phase shift" of some sort before change on any meaningful level occurs. I just need to figure out on what spectrum that phase is located so I can place myself there and become part of the critical mass required... the seed crystal is each of us.

A phase shift means many things. An easy example (which I am making up as I go so might not be correct) is switching octaves in music. You can play a low C, a mid C, a high C, and a of course a Juicy Juice... :doh: (jk) They're all "C's" but each are measured at different phase. How this applies to the current discussion is that many people think about peace, but their individual efforts need to spread to a larger group and at greater magnitude. Currently, the few drops in the bucket of people who want peace is a good start, but needs more momentum (i.e. mass and velocity).

 

The "figure out where the spectrum is and place myself there" comment was a literary tool to describe alignment with a thought process... nothing too much more. As for a seed crystal, it's a chemistry term. Basically, one little tiny crystal when nurtured in the right way will grow into something much larger and more powerful. This is used a lot in the semiconductor industry too to "grow" chips.

 

 

[squeezingEyesShutAndHopingReallyHardWithEverythingIhave]

My point was, that if even one of us finds a peace inside of ourselves, then that will spread to others, and the domino effect will continue until world peace is here.

[/squeezingEyesShutAndHopingReallyHardWithEverythingIhave]

 

Do any of our more recent members care to weigh in on the topic? :lol:

[Monomer]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Magnify the disagreement seen on this one thread topic alone by every being on the planet and multiply that by each passing moment...

 

It will take a "phase shift" of some sort before change on any meaningful level occurs. I just need to figure out on what spectrum that phase is located so I can place myself there and become part of the critical mass required... the seed crystal is each of us.

 

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

A phase shift means many things. An easy example (which I am making up as I go so might not be correct) is switching octaves in music. You can play a low C, a mid C, a high C, and a of course a Juicy Juice... (jk) They're all "C's" but each are measured at different phase. How this applies to the current discussion is that many people think about peace, but their individual efforts need to spread to a larger group and at greater magnitude. Currently, the few drops in the bucket of people who want peace is a good start, but needs more momentum (i.e. mass and velocity).

 

The "figure out where the spectrum is and place myself there" comment was a literary tool to describe alignment with a thought process... nothing too much more. As for a seed crystal, it's a chemistry term. Basically, one little tiny crystal when nurtured in the right way will grow into something much larger and more powerful. This is used a lot in the semiconductor industry too to "grow" chips.

 

 

[squeezingEyesShutAndHopingReallyHardWithEverything Ihave]

My point was, that if even one of us finds a peace inside of ourselves, then that will spread to others, and the domino effect will continue until world peace is here.

[/squeezingEyesShutAndHopingReallyHardWithEverything Ihave]

 

Do any of our more recent members care to weigh in on the topic? :lol:

 

As soon as I saw the title of the thread I thought "not until there's a paradigm shift in each person". I completely agree that when each of us finds peace within ourselves, then we'll have world peace. But at the moment we're predominantly selfish and uncaring, and we don't communicate. Last night I had a *huge* argument with my husband because I acted selfishly and then some bad communication followed. If I had peace within myself then I doubt I'd act in a harmful manner. I'd be caring and considerate, looking out for others, treating them as I'd like to be treated. If everyone in the world acted like this it would be a nice peaceful place to live. But everyone needs to want this and then put in some effort for it to happen.

[Boerseun]

How did I ever miss this thread? Haha - reading MagnetMan's rantings here brings back some memories...:hihi:

 

But, without sounding too harsh and warmonger-like, the only way World Peace can occur will be if everybody agrees over everything. From philosophy to data interpretation. From prices to vices. We'll agree to absolutely everything - from the causes of issues to what to do with a million bucks.

 

...and, quite frankly, that's no world I wish to live in. I think a world where everybody agrees over every single possible thing will be a soul-suckingly boringly bland and grey world.

 

To arms!

[sanctus]

Borseun, peace doesn't mean (to me at least) agreeing on everything, it more means respecting everyone.

 

Anyway as you can read in my signature I believe in utopies, so I vote yes.

But it is a bit more profound than just thinking it would be cool: it's more do you believe in mankind or not? And I do, I believe everyone is able to learn, so eventually we will get there.

 

EDIT: the poll is closed, I didn't reopen it just for me to vote, but if there are other who might want to vote too just send me pm

[Zythryn]

B, I think World Peace means no wars. I would agree with everyone agreeing with everyone else would be necessary for there to be no personal conflict of any sort anywhere in the world.

For example, I disagree with someone about how critical the price of gas is. We discuss it and agree to disagree. There has been no war, no killing, yet we disagreed.

However, I don't believe world peace will happen while we are on the planet. The combination of power seeking and greed and religion seem to assure that. And I don't think all of humanity will ever outgrow that.

[TheBigDog]

The combination of power seeking and greed and religion seem to assure that. And I don't think all of humanity will ever outgrow that.

Well said, Zyth. I would challenge that religion is a tool, not a cause. Power seeking and greed are the roots. Religion, like nationalism, is a method of justifying your greed or power grab, and a way of motivating the masses. The evil men of history who did great harm in the name of religion would have found another excuse if religion was not available.

 

Bill

[Zythryn]

Hey Bill,

 

While I didn't say it clearly, that is exactly what I was thinking with regards to religion being a tool used to gather the masses. Thank you for clarifying that for me:) I suppose I also should have added fear as that is another tool used to gather people behind a cause (V for Vendetta is a great example of this in film).

[Peacemaker]

Hello all,

 

 

 

It's hard to imagine a time, even in the distant future, that our world's nations can live in peace. Nevertheless, it will eventually happen, after tremendous changes occur in our collective attitudes about WAR. It would be helpful if we could begin to recognize that war is not a disease, but a symptom; a result. The real "disease" preventing world peace is the virus of national sovereignty.

 

We have proven many times over peace cannot be maintained by treaties, diplomacy, foreign policies, alliances, balances of power, or any other type of makeshift juggling with the sovereignties of nationalism. World law must come into being; and must be enforced by world government-- the sovereignty of all mankind.:)

 

Regards,

--Saitia

Well put. If we all just called ourselves 'earthlings, instead of Germans, or Americans, or whatever, it would ease matters repidly. Nationality is just a label which just causes preconceptions about the character of this stranger to cloud our judgement of another human being. Of course, we have to change a few other things before we got to that stage.

 

Best regards to all,

 

Peacemaker

[Peacemaker]

If you do not believe it will occur, that will be enough to prevent it. It really is as simple as believing it to be possible and then proceeding to take steps toward that goal.

 

 

Please note, I am aware of the oversimplification of my statement, but I still stand by it's tone.

Well put I.N.

 

I fully agree.

 

Peacemaker.