Feng Shui

[Racoon]

Heres another idea that can't Really be proven scientifically, But Exists a number of Strong Indicators.

 

Feng Shui.

 

Its not all that far fetched. New modern Skyscrapers being put up in Asia will have a Feng-Shui expert on the development staff!

 

Not only in the East, but in the West too! :umno:

Including Citibank, N. M. Rothschild, Shell, and Sime Darby.

 

Executives, even starting as skeptics, find themselves succumbing to the "pervasive leverage that Good Feng Shui brings to their organizations"

 

I have a great referrence on it. If I can set up my new scanner printer, and learn how to use it, I could post some pics.

 

Does anyone know anything about it?

Does it sound like hocus pocus?

 

Its about balancing Yin and Yang forces and promoting Good, Prosperous Energies. :)

Which is what Successful Companies and Happy Households want! :)

[Racoon]

OK, here are a couple links you can quickly reference better than I could explain in a few sentences... :) :umno:

 

Of course the Wiki!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Shui

 

and another one that doesn't seem to promote a lot of product:

 

http://www.crystalinks.com/feng_shui.html

 

:)

[pgrmdave]

I think it's a non sequitur.

 

I think that while (some of) the practices may work to make (some) places nicer, I think that the idea of "balancing yin and yang forces and promoting good, prosperous energies" is hogwash. Just because something works in experiment doesn't necessarily mean that every theory which predicts it is true, just that every theory which predicts differently is false. Gravity is caused by angels pushing things down to the ground. I drop an apple and show that it falls. That shows that the angels are still working.

[pgrmdave]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_wealth

 

Again, just because it works doesn't mean that the theory behind it is correct.

[pgrmdave]

There are infinite theories which explain any given phenomenon - yet only one is correct. The Greeks believed that smoke rose because it belonged in the air, and that stones sunk because they belonged below water. It fit the data, but was it correct? Or is it more likely that it had to do with gravity and density?

[pgrmdave]

Keeping an open mind doesn't mean that I cannot be skeptical. I have looked into feng shui a bit, and find it lacking in serious studies by people who are skeptical. There are only two things in this universe - Energy and Matter (I know they are the same thing, but they do have different properties). All energy has the ability to do work in the physics sense. All matter has mass. Until feng shui can either measure mass or perform noticable work (turning a wheel, heating a piece of metal, etc...) it remains firmly in the realm of psuedo-science.

[Erasmus00]

I was thinking how could So many Bright people, From such a rich history , for So long, Be completely wrong and clueless?:rolleyes:

 

Every culture has smart people who believe in ideas that, in retrospect, don't stand up to scrutiny.

 

Consider: Newton was deeply involved in alchemy. Western medicine for years involved bleeding, leeching, etc, all to get the humors in balance. Many ancient observations founded on astrology, etc.

 

Just because smart people also believed it doesn't mean its true.

-Will

[C1ay]

There are Billion Dollar constructions that seriously take this into account! :rolleyes:--->>>$$$$$$$$$

So, Nancy Reagan seriously believed in astrology too. That doesn't lend any credence to astrology though. Mumbo jumbo is mumbo jumbo regardless of who believes in it.

[Queso]

So, Nancy Reagan seriously believed in astrolgy too. That doesn't lend any credence to astrology though. Mumbo jumbo is mumbo jumbo regardless of who believes in it.

 

My favorite example of this is

:rolleyes:

 

:)

YOU GUESSED IT!

Religion.

[pgrmdave]

:eek: You've found my inconsistency. Yes, I do believe in God with no proof, (although I think that the simple existance of the universe points to a prime mover, though not a God). However, while I may believe there is a god, I don't really think there is a god. It's an odd struggle within myself - part of me screams out for proof, and part of me just...believes. However, there is at least one major difference between feng shui and a God, and that's in operation in the physical world. I don't think that God interferes with the world - I think that he created the laws of physics, and then sat back and watched everything unfold. Feng Shui tries to be an art, a philosophy, and a science all at once by creating a false idea of 'energy' and then applying it. Besides, whether or not I am internally consistent does not have any bearing on whether or not feng shui is true or not.

[pgrmdave]

As much as you can't prove it "True" it seems its Hard to prove "Untrue" as well.

 

It's incredibly difficult to prove something untrue. There's a dragon in my garage. http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm

 

BUT there are elements of negative charge, positive charge, and vibration that you find in Physics and Chemistry .

 

This is a major problem in science - the misuse of words. There are words, such as "theory" which have one meaning in normal everyday use, and another meaning in scientific use. "Energy" is one of them, as are "Negative" and "Positive". All that negative means is that it attracts positive particles, and positive attracts negative. There's no connotation of "good" or "bad" associated with them. Energy is a very loaded word indeed - I can be 'energetic' but that doesn't really have very much to do with energy as a physical thing, other than the actual 'work' (there's another word that's misused) that I'm doing.

[hallenrm]

Feng Shui advocates living in Harmony with the earth's environment and its energy lines, so that there is a proper balance between the forces of nature.

:eek2:

 

Good advocacy Racoon, but the million dollar question is, "Is it really possible to do so? Has anybody ever succeeded in doing so.":phones:

[hallenrm]

Its not "million" Hallen, But "BILLION!"

Economics outweighs just about everything! :eek: --->>>:lol:

 

The question becomes: How Can I use this to benefit me?

 

Well yes, let that be the question! But to me it is not only the real estate that one is able to make that adds to happiness of an individual, there can be other avenues of happiness too!!! Say, being able to communicate with friends (like you); can Feng Shui help me to make a lots of good friends, willing to share their thoughts with me.:eek2:

[hallenrm]

Out of curiosity Hallen, What part of India do you live in/around??

India is so big, with so many people, from so many different backgrounds?

Tell us a little about yourself.

We are wondering :lightbulb :cup: :note:

 

Ah! Ha! that's indeed a true friendly gesture.

 

As regards your query, I would like that you visit my blog. It has my autobiography, that I find time to add to, Often:)

[InfiniteNow]

The problem at hand here, much like comments relating to chi, is that despite our personal understandings of the concepts, scientific research and confirmed data is hard to come by. What is the nature of the energy being looked into? Maybe it's all neurophysiologic... maybe it's nothing... Let's come up with a test and look into it.

 

It's also too commonly over-used to describe everything neo-chronological (sorry, really dislike the term "new age"). I was getting my hair cut a few weeks ago and a woman walked in and asked if the salon did "Feng Shui haircuts." Are you sh!%%in' me? :eek:

 

Hence, the need for some verifiable evidence and parameters for our understanding, and a reasonable view toward those who say it's rubbish.

[InfiniteNow]

Show me where the building is somehow measurably and verifiably different than any other and I'll take a look. Your enthusiasm is admirable, but you're not doing a lot to further your argument or convince others with anything more than tangentially related, circumstantial, or analogical data.

 

I don't disagree with you that Feng Shui has something to it, but I also won't claim that it DOES have some substance until I can support it with more concrete evidence...

[pgrmdave]

An Example is the Hong Kong Bank Tower.>>>can you count that as evidence?

The senior managers went to "Great" pains and length to ensure Fen Shui principles were involved in order to court more prosperity.

Seems they are still in Business despite "believing" in Feng Shui principles.

The Ancient Eygptians built the pyramids based on religious principles, and they're still standing - they must have been right! Of course, if they are in business ONLY because of Feng Shui you might have a bit of evidence.

 

Coy are especially revered, and having them arround your Building or home will bring "auspicious" energy.

 

You keep using the word 'energy' to describe something which is clearly not energy. Show me 'auspicious energy' moving a wheel, and I'll agree that it exists.

 

It appears to be not readily proven by science.

But it works! so that means something.

that means that if it didn't work at all, people wouldn't be interested at all.

Especially Big Business and successful people

 

Tom Cruise, a very successful person, is a scientologist...Celebrity endorsements mean nothing. Again, angels push things to the ground - the proof is that things fall to the ground - does that mean that dropping something proves that it's angels?

 

Look into it; Follow some of the guidelines.

See if it makes a difference for yourself in your environment.

 

Experiment to see if it is true. That will be your proof.

 

And how would one experiment? How do you measure non-energy? There is no way to do so, and so no experiment can be performed.

 

If you can think up an objective experiment, where data can be measuered and calculated, then I will perform it to the best of my ability.