More than one Big Bang?

[chamilton333]

Gravity pulled everything in the huge black hole of what would become the big bang. but what did it pull together? was there a big bang before the most recent big bang? will our universe be pulled together and "bang" again?

[Queso]

gravity pulled everything in the huge black hole of what would become the big bang. but what did it pull together? was there a big bang befor the most recent big bang? will our universe be pulled together and "bang" again?

 

It's a possibility:shrug:

[Edella]

gravity pulled everything in the huge black hole of what would become the big bang. but what did it pull together? was there a big bang befor the most recent big bang? will our universe be pulled together and "bang" again?

Good questions!I'm not sure that gravity pulled everything in a huge black hole according to current theory,but the current model of how the universe formed is still being studied,and many questions are still being asked.Wikipedia could be a good start for further study:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang

[Jay-qu]

there are many theories about our big bang - as for if it will happen again, if the universe has enough matter the gravitational attraction between all the matter will be able to pull it all back together into what is called the big crunch (gee scienctist's are imaginative!) if it does not have this critical amount of mass the universe will go on expanding indefinitly.

[Boerseun]

Matter of fact, it seems as if the expansion is accelerating! :eek:

[Qfwfq]

A recent idea is that that could be a statistical fluctuation, on a scale comparable to the Hubble horizon.

 

http://www.arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0503117

[Jay-qu]

yeah Im not a fan of the big crunch theory.. but hey its a theory none-the-less

[chamilton333]

Matter of fact, it seems as if the expansion is accelerating! :lol:

this may be because of what we are measuring. if we have 1 big, 1 small object......

 

LEGEND

0=mass

........=distance

 

0000 ........................................................................................

BIG.....................................................................................................

object..................0.....................................................................

...........................small object...............................................................

............................we measure this.......................................................

......................................................................00.......................

........................................................................earth...........................

 

the small object would travel toward the big object. at the time we measure the small, it is going 6,000mph toward the big object, and, since we are attracted also, but not as much, we go 2,000mph. it is going relitivly 4,000 mph. we measure it next week. 6,600, to 2,200. its increasing! OMG! STOP. we are measuring the wrong thing. the big object is just accelarating the small. the big object is out of reach of our telescopes, so we cant see it. well, there may be many big objects around. so maybe eventually, alot of different black holes will form. ok, say be go away from the small to another object, thats closer.

 

0000 ..........6,000mph, increasing at 2,000 a week

BIG......................<----

object..................0

...........................small object...........6,000mph, increasing at 2,000 a week

............................we measure this.......................--->............................

......................................................................00........................

........................................................................earth...........................

...................................................................................... 0000....

.....................................................................................BIG object 2

 

then the 2 BIG objects come together, one with the earth joined to it, the other with the small object.

---->......................................................................................<------

00000.......................................................................00000

BIG object+small.............................................................BIG object+earth

 

 

they unite to form a black hole, black holes unite to make a big bang.

 

 

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BIG objects + more BIG objects= black hole

 

 

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BIG objects + more BIG objects= black hole

 

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HUGE black hole= big bang Again!:hihi:

[Boerseun]

Nope. You've lost me there somewhere.

[chamilton333]

:)

 

Ok, put simply, it depends on what we are measuring. its kinda hard to explain other than my other post..:(

[Jay-qu]

big holes and black bangs ( :lol: ) whatever - when we are talking about these things I realise how far over our heads we are! :)

 

There is no scientific proof that a large black hole would make another big bang, it is a theory, and a theory it will remain because there is no way of prooving it in the foreseeable future.

 

As for the poll, you say will the universe bang again? do you mean our visible universe, the one we inhabit - or are you talking about absolutly everything, different parrallel universes, parrallel dimensions the whole shebang? the only thing you cant include is time.. otherwise the question becomes rather meaningless.. :(

[Harry Costas]

Hello All

 

 

Its amazing that so many people are talking about the Big Bang Theory and actually think that it happened. Its only a thoery.

 

In the last few years or should I say decades the Big Bang has been put on the back burner as a theory that once was. Still the amount of people that talk about it is over 60 % which says to us there must be something to it or we have been lead up the garden path for a long time and we have developed habits of thinking along the lines of the Big Bang and as you know habits are hard to stop and change.

 

 

 

read these links

http://www.fixall.org/bigbang/bigblackbang.htm

 

quote

"Cosmology is the scientific study of the beginnings of our Universe. Theories have been devoloped by cosmologists to explain how the Universe came about. One theory, the Big Bang theory, while acknowledged by the theorists to be just a theory, has come to be accepted by most mainstream scientists and subsequently by most of the public. However, a careful reading of the originators of these theories reveals that they, the authors, consider the theory to be an assumption. A serious error of great import occurs, however, when secondary observers assume the assumption is fact. For when the theory eventually filters down to the public, the theory is taken as the truth."

 

 

http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org/

one example from the many

 

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" Light Element Abundances predict contradictory densities

The Big bang theory predicts the density of ordinary matter in the universe from the abundance of a few light elements. Yet the density predictions made on the basis of the abundance of deuterium, lithium-7 and helium-4 are in contradiction with each other, and these predictions have grown worse with each new observation. The chance that the theory is right is now less than one in one hundred trillion"

 

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bang.html

 

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"Religious circles embraced the idea of an expanding universe because for the universe to be expanding, then at some point in the past it had to originate from a single point, called the "Big Bang". The "Big Bang" coincided nicely with religious doctrine and just as had been the case with epicycles (and despite the embarrassment thereof) religious institutions sought to encourage this new model of the universe over all others, including the then prevalent "steady state" theory."

 

http://www.rense.com/general53/bbng.htm

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"Cosmology Statement.org (Published in New Scientist, May 22-28 issue, 2004, p. 20)

 

The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory.

 

In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, RAISE SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE UNDERLYING THEORY.

 

But the big bang theory can't survive without these fudge factors. Without the hypothetical inflation field, the big bang does not predict the smooth, isotropic cosmic background radiation that is observed, because there would be no way for parts of the universe that are now more than a few degrees away in the sky to come to the same temperature and thus emit the same amount of microwave radiation. "

 

But there is more as the man would say.

 

no time

 

Have to go and pick up the kids

[Tormod]

Its amazing that so many people are talking about the Big Bang Theory and actually think that it happened. Its only a thoery.

 

In the last few years or should I say decades the Big Bang has been put on the back burner as a theory that once was.

 

Yes it's a theory, but that it has been put on the back burner is wishful thinking on your behalf. I have read at least 15 (new) popular science books in the past two years which all include aspects of big bang theory.

 

I would say that the big bang theory is alive and thriving, and *evolving*, as any good scientific theory should.

 

Considering that the standard model theory is based on proven predictions, it is a very strong theory. However, since interpretation of scientific proof is always up for scrutiny there will always be dissent. There is nothing wrong with that, but dissent does not mean that a theory is dead.

[Tormod]

http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org/

one example from the many

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But there is more as the man would say.

 

Yes, there is more. For example Ned Wright's rebuttal of Lerner's book.

 

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/lerner_errors.html

[Harry Costas]

Hello Tormod

 

Thank you for the link

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/lerner_errors.html

 

I will get back to you

[DarkColoredLight]

I believe that is what I ment when I said "nothing imploded, causing the big bang"

 

Rather, everything imploded to nothing, making nothing explode. Universe just recycles it's self.

 

Here ends the reading of DarkColoredLight; Chapter End of All Things to Come, Verses Begining of All Things to End.

[Coronus]

Yes the Big Bang model is thriving right now but so did the steady-state model of the universe onee upone a time...I'm not saying that the Big Bang model is flawed or that the Steady-State model is correct I'm merely stating that anything is indeed possible...And the birth of the univer is still up for speculation....

 

And I think I read in a book that the accelerated expansion of the universe is caused by Dark Energy is this true and if so what excactly is dark energy...?Or as excact as we can concieve it to be....