Is Time Travel Possible?

[arkain101]

I think he was being saaarcastic.

 

Time is the loop that existence appears to fluctuate around.

 

Lets imagine the universe was at one time nothing, without a fleck of intelligence. how the frick did time come to be, if nothing could of thought of it.. could physics laws really outdate intelligence?

 

Words of the wise, if there is a dimension that we reside in, our dimension could as easily reside in a dimension.

[docbill]

Is time travel possible? In my recently released song; STUCK IN BETWEEN I think it's safe to say that I for one believe. Can anyone prove that time travel is not possible? Will check for your comment / reply.

Jerry Chiappetta, Jr., Performing Artist / Songwriter - Naples, Florida

:D

 

Yes, time travel is possible. With 100% certainty into the future. There is a chance it is also possible into the past, but most likely only prior to the big bang...

 

Bill

[arkain101]

I thought you might like to read a topic here under the title of Time travel and the baggage.

 

The baggage being the apparently inevidble logic that comes with the claims of a few versions of time travel ideas.

 

So, I will paste it in.

 

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Up to now time travel or time warps are theoretical suggestions of theoretical concepts.

 

Before working out the calculations and the validity of such a far stretched idea, there are some versions of baggage that come with this idea or claim.

 

There are catagories of time travel.

 

First, Can a person travel faster and live longer than his twin? Which is also saying age slower than his twin by temporaraly stretching the time in his own reference frame.

 

Second, Can a person travel to an event in time of the future that come to be or a place in the past that has been?

 

The first catagory states no traveling in time has occured but rather a change in the flow of time for the obsever that causes nothing more than things that measure time to measure time at a different rate, but when all is said and done you return to the same point only less aged.

 

The second catagor is traveling through time as if to imagine time as a never ending video tape and we can hop along its points and slip into the movie.

 

The first only warps and is not an actual 'time travel' the second is really time travel, and will explain why this is.

 

The baggage that comes with actual time travel. If we state we can travel to an event in the past, or travel to an event in the future we end up with a peice of baggage to deal with and when we open it we see this question insdie. Where is the matter, the energy, the information stored that contains the past and contains the future if it is possible for us to go to it/bring it to us, where is it coming from? Is Time is intelligent? Can it have a memory bank to hold all the events in history so one is able to travel to places in this time? Or is this just hogwash, time is a relative infinite now and does not pass here nor there or come from here nor there.

baggage is, Fact, in order to time travel, all of time must be stored somewhere, somehow.

 

The next question to ask is, If this is all possible where is all the history of time stored? What intelligence stores this information? Or can a dimnension store information? What is it?

 

Learning the answer to what holds the information may just be more important than learning how to time travel.

 

When we look at time flow change, we can see that one can not move to the past nor the future, but can affect the Now. Since you can not jump ahead in this method, you dont have to deal with storing information. Instead of jumping ahead you would experience the now around you faster so you would get to next week (on earth, after traveling in space) sooner, and no jumping or branching of time happens.

 

And one last time, time travel, jumps. It requires the now to have been recorded, stored, memory banked or it can not be gotten to, or retrieved.

 

So, We have some versions of time, some versions of time travel, and some versions of baggage (facts to deal with) from each one.

 

I say, if you believe time travel is possible you have stated everything is store by some amazing amazing memory bank!!

 

If you dont, I suppose everything is just infinite creation.

 

What do all say? Must history be stored to travel in time? What could store it?

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I was thinking about this today in the shower. It occured to me that either way explains the same thing.

 

If there really is a way to time travel, and jump to the future or past, then, everything must be stored in some kind of form of intelligence. But, if you are also a person that considers the idea of time traveling causeing the creation of a new parrallel dimension, this creation requires intelligence or a resource aswell.

 

But if we argue against time travel all together, and consider there is no 'recording effect' of the past and there is no 'playing effect' of from the future, then all there is, is a constant creation of Now, of time unrelated infinity. We must consider the past and the future to not exist, but there is only a source of creation, all moments, all things are in this constant never ending, moment to moment creation.

 

So we look at both examples and we get intelligence memory (for time working time travel) creator and intelligence source (for new parralell dimension), and creator and resource of energy (for infinite creation in no time travel). Does this logic flow with anyone else? I find these thoughts so amazing and rather new from anything I've ever heard.

 

This then went to some further considerations. If time travel is not possible (which is what I am coming to believe [time travel, not time flow warping]), then we have this flow of creation. In nature we look at the study of physics and we have found light is a constant velocity. There are constants in the quantum physics realm and etc. These constants can not be broken according to relativity. Information or data can not exceed the speed of light, even though scientists are learning to manipulate the wave functions of a light wave.

So we apply all this evidence to a constant infinite creation of the NOW theory, and logically it makes sense. If you are, and everything is a manifestation of the now, then a constants will be the product of such a world.

I say this because, if true, you can not change the flow at which things are created with a constant of manifestation, that does not go into the past nor come from a future, it comes from a source but is only an experience of infinity, locked in a realm with constants that can not be broken, and all things material are locked in what seems like time because of this.

 

What is the creation, what is the source, what is the constant, what is the intelligence, and what is the force?

 

It seems logical it all aims towards what a god is described as. Like a father containment, a source of infinity that ingulfs alll.

[Jay-qu]

I have thought this before.. but can you be so sure? What if one is invented, but because we know of the implications of its use, is never allowed to be used. Or perhaps it has been used, but we just dont know it, tell me how could you be sure that originally the human race nearly destroyed itself in a nuclear war, but a small group of scientists managed to send some people back in time to fix it :) just a hypothetical, but I hope you get my point.

[InfiniteNow]

Or maybe a time machine could only go back to moment it was created, not before...

 

Thing is, we barely have an adequate definition of time in our hands, so talk of travelling through it is mental masturbation until more specifics are pinned down.

[Southtown]

No. Time is a result of process, not vice versa.

 

http://hypography.com/forums/philosophy-science/6471-time-measurable-variable.html

[Jay-qu]

I think you misunderstand me. I do see what you are saying as I have had the same thought, I am also think that the idea of the conventionally sci-fi time travel to be very sketchy, what I was trying to point out is that it is not irrefutable evidence, so your hypothesis requires further evidence and insight.

[Jay-qu]

You are welcome to discuss things where-ever you like, but just realise that a 'gut-feeling' wont get you very far on a science forum.

 

You dont need credentials to participate here, many of the members dont, so dont place so much of an emphasis on your own intelligence and just get involved in the conversations. Dont be afaid of been wrong, its the best way to learn something.

[InfiniteNow]

Or maybe a time machine could only go back to moment it was created, not before...

Is that not what a photograph sort of is?

My point might be better summarized, using your example, by saying that you cannot have any photographs which were taken before the first camera was made.

 

 

Also, masturbation is fun, it feels good :cup: so my point about mental self stimulation does not necessarily imply a bad thing. :)

 

 

It's always right now, even if you go back in time, you remain within/part of/connected to/united to now... just with other surroundings.

[Turtle]

A Layman’s View on the Possibility of Time Travel!!

The fact that nobody from the infinite number of futures has ever visited us in our present (the past to the future) is clear proof that we never do manage to build a time machine.

 

Not as we imagine it to be, at any rate. :eek:

 

A layman's reply to a layman's view.:P In listening to one radio discussion on this point, it was suggested that a time machine as we imagine it may not go back in time beyond the time when it was constructed. :lol:

[Jay-qu]

sorry if you thought I was been condescending, because I didnt intend it to be that way. All I was trying to get across is that you continually refer to how you are a layperson and have no credentials, and that you need not do this because many of the people here dont. We just all share a love for science and wish to discuss it.

[InfiniteNow]

I'm going to be a bit harsher than most here for a moment and ask that you [rfahrytas] quit playing the uneducated victim. It's already old to me, but I do not at all mean to imply that I will not enjoy our dialogues here and elsewhere. I just find each of your recent posts which consistently refer to your own ignorance and perception of attack distasteful, and am hoping that we can find a more amiable style of communication.

 

I'm pretty retarded sometimes myself, so again, please don't take the above as an attack. ;)

 

Excuse my ignorance Infinite; I have been out of the loop for a long time. The truth be known, I was probably never really in it; but the statement above; is it a hypothesis of yours, or has it been demonstrated?

It's more of a conjecture, and you can find out more by visiting the link to my first ever post (which may also tell you more about me and who I am) :) :

 

Moments and Events

 

 

Cheers to you as well. :D :D :beer:

[arkain101]

A layman's reply to a layman's view. In listening to one radio discussion on this point, it was suggested that a time machine as we imagine it may not go back in time beyond the time when it was constructed.

 

Or maybe in like my opinion, time is not a thing that can be traversed or traveled. Instead time is a relative measurement and a scattered non absolute, and is due to all measurements or all versions of time are no further beyond the makings of an atom.

 

badly explained, but, ohw ell.

[Turtle]

A layman's reply to a layman's view. In listening to one radio discussion on this point, it was suggested that a time machine as we imagine it may not go back in time beyond the time when it was constructed.

Or maybe in like my opinion, time is not a thing that can be traversed or traveled. Instead time is a relative measurement and a scattered non absolute, and is due to all measurements or all versions of time are no further beyond the makings of an atom.

 

badly explained, but, ohw ell.

 

That's all well and good, except it precludes the notion of "time travel as we imagine it" that rfahrytas put forward.

Maybe time is a walking banana holding a clock?

:hihi:

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[Tormod]

Maybe time is a walking banana holding a clock?

:hihi:

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This definitely gets my vote.

[Jay-qu]

And what did R stand for? :) That is actually a good post padding thread idea - eye spy :D

 

Back to the time traveling topic, I was forced to remeber (by some beautiful special relativity calculations today) how easy it is to change your rate of passage through time into the future. Ignoring the problems with going relativistic speeds, if we could in some way go upwards of 0.9c then you start moving into the future at a much faster rate than the relative stationary observers. Its odd that there is no symmetry (yet discovered) with the dimension of time that allows a similar freedom.. which brings me back to the fact that we must be missing something!

[InfiniteNow]

Reference to my own ignorance and perception of attack, by me, about me, is ‘offensive’ to you!

 

But me talking of travelling through time, and being referred to as ‘mental masturbation’ by you, is OK?!?!?

Yep. Opinions and perspectives are grand, aren't they? :wink:

 

It's right now.

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You know, you remind me very much of a close friend of mine...Well Glen (my friend)...

I'm friends with a few Glen's myself...

 

Glenrothes

Glenmorangie

Glenfiddich

Glenlivet

Glengoyne... :cocktail:

 

 

 

Time is another dimension. Linked with the 3 commonly recognized dimensions of space. However, adequate definitions of spacetime seem to elude us, much as does the concept of consciousness. It's difficult discussion, the concept of time travel, because we really are uncertain what this means.

 

Generally, people refer to travelling to the past. For example, going back to childhood, or ancient Egypt, or living out the grandfather's paradox to see what happens. However, the act of making such a temporal phase shift changes everything, and it becomes meaningless to say you are input into previous circumstances. I am thinking something like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle here, but can't quite place my finger on it.

 

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It's right now... and all the others are part of it.