I want World Peace. Yes/No?

[IMAMONKEY!]

Merely shallow humor. I meant nothing by it. I had nothing to put in so I decided to put something I thought was at least mildly humorous. If its neccesary I will change it. Why?

 

If you mean my post was inadequate what i meant to say was I agree with Ananke. What Ananke said made sense to me.:shrug:

[InfiniteNow]

Okay... never mind.

[TheFaithfulStone]

Okay, off topic, but Monkey, every time I read your name I read it as a command. Not "I'm A Monkey" but "IM a Monkey."

 

Which would be stupid, since everyone know monkeys don't have time for AIM since they're too busy typing out the complete works of Shakespeare on typewriters.

 

Just a thought.

 

TFS

[Zythryn]

World peace would be undesirable. It would limit the actions of future rulers, and so limit the dynamism of human society overall. War is necessary. There is no other means for one culture to exert total dominance over another, and thus no other means for a strong civilisation to expand at the expense of a weak one. Without war, all human societies, however primative and worthless, would survive to waste resources.

 

Ananke, while that is an interesting phillisophical stand, I disagree.

Humanity has reached, or soon will reach, a point where war can cause the destruction of humanity in total.

For this reason I don't believe war should be desired by anyone. We have reached the technological level where we, as a race, can manage our drain on resources.

 

Unfortunately we have not, as a race, grown to the point where we will, as a race, do so. Also unfortunately, I don't see a way out of this:eek_big:

[IMAMONKEY!]

Okay, off topic, but Monkey, every time I read your name I read it as a command. Not "I'm A Monkey" but "IM a Monkey."

 

Which would be stupid, since everyone know monkeys don't have time for AIM since they're too busy typing out the complete works of Shakespeare on typewriters.

 

Just a thought.

 

TFS

 

funny :D

 

As for the topic. War has been a part of humanity since..well.. forever. War seems to be one of the few motivations for technological advancement in our entire history. So yes war seems important to me, however Zythryn has a point. War may eventually escalate (spelling?) to a point where it will destroy us completely.

 

But i personally dont think anyone that stupid resides in any position of that power, so in my opinion we are safe so long as religious fanatics and mental retards dont run for government. Aw shoot... too late. Well, cya in the bomb shelters. :hihi:

[InfiniteNow]

War has been a part of humanity since..well.. forever.

So has disease. Does this logic imply that we should not try to stop disease either, that it's a necessary part of our existence?

[IMAMONKEY!]

So has disease. Does this logic imply that we should not try to stop disease either, that it's a necessary part of our existence?

 

well... in effect disease is not something i would like to have around no, but like war i believe it is neccesary. What happens when you catch a disease? You produce aintbodies that prevent that strain from causing more harm... naturally the antibodies wear out in a while but it is protection... I suppose disease and war could be compared to exercise. Disease trains our bodies to fight better the viruses and germs that attack us. I think if we were to be subjected to adverse conditions constantly that werent enough to kill us, eventually when the adverse conditions ended, our bodies would be stronger and prepared to fight off weak diseases better then before. "What doesnt kill you makes you stronger" seems to fit this.

 

I guess what im getting at is to grow we must face our challenges and solve them, not obliterate them. Think of it this way... getting through the wars is like solving a really hard math equation... it is hard but eventually you'll solve it and be smarter by it. Now another way you could solve it is by burning it with gasoline and a match, but what is the result? a blackened heap of charred paper? Did you learn anything? I dont think so...(with the exception that gasoline makes a brilliant fire show :confused:)

 

Please excuse me, my thoughts are very jumbled right now... I only slept 2 hours last night and I'm not used to running on that amount of rest.

 

Regards

[InfiniteNow]

What happens when you catch a disease? You produce aintbodies that prevent that strain from causing more harm...

Yes, but to take your point a step further, if there were no disease (or other invaders), there would be no need for antibodies.

 

I suppose disease and war could be compared to exercise. Disease trains our bodies to fight better the viruses and germs that attack us. I think if we were to be subjected to adverse conditions constantly that werent enough to kill us, eventually when the adverse conditions ended, our bodies would be stronger and prepared to fight off weak diseases better then before. "What doesnt kill you makes you stronger" seems to fit this.

Right, but let's now put your analagy back into the topic of the thread. You describe how disease makes our bodies stronger (another issue is that that is not always true, but I'll let it slide for now), but how does war make us better as a society? I fail to see the correspondence between the two points.

 

I guess what im getting at is to grow we must face our challenges and solve them, not obliterate them.

Absolutely, but war is much more than a "challenge," although looking at it as such does provide some optimism for the issue.

 

 

Think of it this way... getting through the wars is like solving a really hard math equation... it is hard but eventually you'll solve it and be smarter by it.

Ah, but by your logic, getting through war just helps you get through other wars. You'll be better at it, but you need more war to administer this skill you've acquired. Seems a bit counterproductive to the point.

 

 

Now another way you could solve it is by burning it with gasoline and a match, but what is the result? a blackened heap of charred paper? Did you learn anything? I dont think so...(with the exception that gasoline makes a brilliant fire show :hihi:)

I don't follow. :eek_big: Burn the test, sure. How does this apply to war? Can I avoid wars (like you reference avoiding a test) by fire? Doesn't sound probable, but if you know something I don't, please share. :eek:

 

 

Cheers. ;)

[Boerseun]

Personally, I'd love to have World Peace ©® in my time, but sadly, I think it impossible.

 

Reason for this, is stupidity, short-sightedness and testosterone.

 

And, the aerospace industries and arms manufacturing complex (which do make up a fair percentage of the Western collective GDP's) have a vested interest in maintaining the atmosphere of international fear and dread that guarantees them repeat business from the same customers.

 

This plugs in nicely with my hypothesis that society is simply a human being writ large. Think about it - if thirty per cent of our economies/societies are dependent in some way on the aerospace/military complex, and warmongering can be reduced to testosterone poisoning (or small-pecker syndrome), then that might be a fair description of any random sample of humans you'd care to investigate.

 

Problem is, the testosterone-poisining victims are holding a gun to our heads, and seeing as we're only armed with a guitar, a harmonica, a few good books and a towel, if they want war, there won't be much the rest of us can do about it.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

Big B how good to see ya!!!

 

The real problem with "world" peace is at best you might find 2 people that can 100 percent get allong all of the time, that can agree with each other all of the time, that can stand to be with each other all of the time...etc. etc. etc. It wil start off cool...then after a time there will be words... then cross words... then fists , then guns ,then bombs, then game over.

 

We like all the other creatures of the earth are animals with animal traits not even in nature is there "peace" ...it's critter eat critter out there it's life!!!!!!!

[HydrogenBond]

World peace would be excellent. But I don't see that happening very soon. The reason is, the capitalist ideal of prosperity=happiness can never be forfilled worldwide. There is not enough resources for everybody to be prosperous, so there will always be strife as the most aggressive few try to get their large share of the small pie.

 

That being said, the philosophy of what is important would have to change into something that is not resource dependant. Something that allows someone with little material prosperity to feel important too. The material prosperity would be the desert of life instead of its meat and potatos. It would have to be something that comes from within. A state of mind.

[durgatosh]

HydrogenBond

World peace would be excellent. But I don't see that happening very soon. The reason is, the capitalist ideal of prosperity=happiness can never be forfilled worldwide. There is not enough resources for everybody to be prosperous, so there will always be strife as the most aggressive few try to get their large share of the small pie.

 

As Mahatma Gandhi, one of the greatest apostles of peace and non-violence said: "There is enough for everybody's need but not enough for anybody's greed."

 

As long as the world order is driven by greed, peace seems a very remote possibility.

 

DP

[sebbysteiny]

Personally, I would hate to have world peace. Think of all those people who lose their jobs in the coffin business? And think of that poor undertaker who is struggling to make ends meat as it is!

 

And if there is world peace, the world will stop investing in weapons and we will become sitting ducks to the nearest alien army who will enslave and oppress us all.

 

Do we really want to let our children inherrit a future of slavery, pain and misery at the hands of aliens from Titan?

[infamous]

Personally, I would hate to have world peace. Think of all those people who lose their jobs in the coffin business? And think of that poor undertaker who is struggling to make ends meat as it is!

 

And if there is world peace, the world will stop investing in weapons and we will become sitting ducks to the nearest alien army who will enslave and oppress us all.

 

Do we really want to let our children inherrit a future of slavery, pain and misery at the hands of aliens from Titan?

This sarcasm is beyond the pail. That is if, as I'm assuming, it is in fact sarcasm?................Infy

[LJP07]

World Peace -> Less Deaths -> More Happiness

 

More Happiness -> Better security in living -> More advantages.

 

Therefore World Peace is the beneficial factor.

[sebbysteiny]

Personally, I would hate to have world peace. Think of all those people who lose their jobs in the coffin business? And think of that poor undertaker who is struggling to make ends meat as it is!

 

And if there is world peace, the world will stop investing in weapons and we will become sitting ducks to the nearest alien army who will enslave and oppress us all.

 

Do we really want to let our children inherrit a future of slavery, pain and misery at the hands of aliens from Titan?

 

This sarcasm is beyond the pail. That is if, as I'm assuming, it is in fact sarcasm?................Infy

 

Sarcasm is a very strong word.

 

Do you want to be enslaved and brutally oppressed by aliens from Titan?

[Pyrotex]

...And think of that poor undertaker who is struggling to make ends meat!...

:cup: :tongue: :umno:

ROTFLMAO... oh, that was good, sebby! that was soooooo good.

 

[ahem] So, do I want world peace?

 

hmmm... hmmm... Can I get fries with that?? :shrug: