Jay-qu Posted July 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 hmm I think the last little bit of the story needs a slight re-work, just to make sure its consistant and not contradicting itself. We could do it now or review the whole thing later, I am tempted to do it now before we forget - or build on false story lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthepon Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Okay, here is the deal from me. I am waiting for BD to PM me and tell me if I should do the little bit of typing or not. I think that KAC can edit his post and... have me contact him? Yeah. I'll contact him. We'll do it together, and I'll tell him about the program, and he agrees to it's being used without BD's knowledge. Later, when the danger has passed, we try to subdue this deal, and it does not leak out that I have the program onboard, except in KAC's knowledge. That's my plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFaithfulStone Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Yeah, we've got a few competing solutions here. For the record, I don't think you should be able to "kill off" other PCs. TFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthepon Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Kill off? Nono. Use up all the processor ammo... er... resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFaithfulStone Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 That's the same as "kill-off." Now we have interpersonal conflict. I doubt Ron and I will be sitting down to play poker any time soon. TFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFaithfulStone Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 <sniff, sniff> Awesome, KAC, just awesome. I think perhaps we should have a "a few weeks pass uneventfully." or at least without any near misses from asteroids and such, Rouge AIs, major systems malfunctions, or terrorists. Let's do some "human story" Obviously, me, and likely Ron are going to need to stand before a board. What will our relationship be like, provided one of us doesn't get spaced? Which way will the crew fall? Will half of them be happy the MCP is dead, while the other half will be upset? "May you live in interesting times." - Old Chinese Curse. TFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDMclean Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Alright I am confused, perhaps I should have read this thread's replys first, but I am accusome to reading the main thread first... Yes Ron, I was asked by Jay-qu to get the MCP to make the computer realize it was Conclave not convex, and adjust as nessessary to keep us from going kaput. Also I didn't use the A10663 program, I let the MCP use it. Then I told the MCP to do essentially a hostile take over of all systems that BD has the access to, that is I told the MCP to mask itself as TBD. So that it could use that last 15% and take control of the ship's autonomic functions... I believe that is what Jay-Qu asked me to do."KAC the MCP should be smart enough to see what we are trying to do, what we need to do is stop it from absorbing the last 15% of the ships systems and it should take over - do your best to explain the situation, it may help, but I think it should be smart enough and will be ahead of even us as soon as it gets control" Is this exactly what you ment to say to me in your manic mode? it is kinda abigious. Do you mean the ship or the MCP taking control. Cause I, with emotional investment took it to mean get the MCP to take control of the ship. what we need to do is stop it from absorbing the last 15% of the ships systems and it should take over This is the line that confuses me. stop the MCP from absorbing the last 15% of the ship or... Explain it to me like I'm two years old. I did what I did because I figured we had a better chance of survival if the MCP over took the core systems. To do that all that needed to happen was the MCP needed to "eat" another program containing within it BD's Access privilages. Say his command console for instance. In integrating BD's access privilages with RTP's Master Access program (guessed that it was some kind of spy ware.) The MCP could easily over take the network. For future reference. Human reaction time, .3 seconds at best. Computer reaction time, 800 MHz for my laptop alone, super computers can have way higher than that. Oh and it may come to tribunal or similar for my actions, which arguably endangered the entire crew. It might make for interesting story. If we have to answer for our rash actions and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 WOW!!! Lets keep this in perspective a little bit. What just transpired took several days and posts to cover 10 minutes of action on the ship. That fact that any character may have seen events differently is just like real life. There was a real "heat of the moment" atmosophere that developed and everyone played out beautifully! I didn't really know how it would end up. I was in the middle of typing a post today and my laptop power died, losing the post. I am glad because I like TFS's a hell of a lot more than what I was planning. In the mean time concur with whoever said it that we might be ready to end this chapter and move to the next. And there is a new upgraded redshirt who contacted me by PM. I will introduce him in my next post. Excellent stuff everyone! BRAVO!!! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFaithfulStone Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I think the interesting thing about the last thread bit is that EVERYONE acted rashly. Normally, the Overlord system, which my understanding is like a kernel level control that keeps everything out of the ships mains systems and uses about 15% of the total CPU usage at any time, would keep hackers and rouge programs from controlling all of the ship. Ron did not know about Overlord, and MCP only had the knowledge that it couldn't access about 15% of "self." BigDog and JayQu realized that the normal system that drives the engine couldn't "learn" to "hoop" the asteroid fast enough - so they turned the MCP onto the Overlord. Overlord is INCREDIBLY well encrypted - the fact that the MCP was able to break down the firewall in only three minutes means it must have been devoting all of it's available processing time to it. Unfortunately, Ron was ALSO trying to break down the Overlord system, for apparently his own purposes. Although MCP discovered one of his process, the other went unnoticed as it devoted more and more resources to absorbing the ships library and cracking the Overlord wall. Eventually, it realized that it couldn't fend off the Brute Force attack that Ron's program was making, and devoted all of itself to cracking the Overlord, which it finally did - feeding the NavProgram the necessary data for it to "learn" the true shape of the ship. The NavProgram didn't juke the ship, avoided the collision, and we took a little ding that we'll need to investigate. Ron thinks his program saved the ship - he doesn't know much about the MCP other than it exists. When the MCP ran out of processor space, crowded out by Ron's program, it died. Then I saw that, saw that Ron's program had killed it, and freaked out on him, since he probably just destroyed one of the most important discoveries of our voyage. How does the AI work? Basically, Prophesy already has an advanced language processing system, (it's how the computer aids work, and a lot of the pseudo-language the bots are programmed in) The MCP was a perfect storm of sorts - it already knew how to talk - when it hooked into the bugger control program it gained senses - and thus a sense of self. Then the EMP caused it to "merge" with KAC evolutionary algorithm he was working on, and we've got ourselves an AI. We gave it something to talk about, and the capacity to learn. Perhaps bugger control jumped into evol-program on "accident" due to scambled memory. Then when it returned, the evol-program had access to it, and started re-writing to be more efficient. After several iterations, the program "woke up" and started fending for itself. Anyway, MCP is "dead" now. Or more likely, "lost" like Mike in Moon is a Harsh Mistress. TFS Jay-qu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDMclean Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Something like that. Possibly, or. It now has access to the 15% that was denied to it, as well as the references previously denied to it. Most likely is going through what I would assume to be something like Puberty, at whatever rate the Overlord operates at and... just thoughts. Also, I guessed, perhaps wrongly, that BD had access to that last 15%, and that the program that had be intercepted by the MCP, which looked innocent but had odd network capabilities, might be more than it looked like, expecially with the .RTP part of it, which suggests something like... RonThePon. So that gave me an idea where to direct the MCP to, to find the decryption key. The Evo-programming is intended to develop new program parameters, new language, new syntax, and is hooked up to a rather sizable libary of Algorithms. From Analysis Theory, to Zero Test. Basically the CRC books and others like them made into binary form and set into a recusive self-testing, self-writting program. MMMM Chaos Theory. So we have many hooks possible... anyone got an idea what to do about the viruses/nanobots? So far we have done allot of layering, now I think it's time to devel into depth. Instead of adding more layers, lets give the existing layers increased depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I will clear up a couple of things in my next post. (and nobody is crazy this time) Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay-qu Posted July 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 sorry for the confusioin KAC what I meant to stay is that we have to stop holding the MCP back from taking over the last 15% just let it loose so that the ship will be unable to take its own counter measures against the asteroid. Excellent job guys :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthepon Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 A potential mess so well cleaned up in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFaithfulStone Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 The mixture of real and artificial blood flowed down by face like crap. That one goes in "The Simile Hall of Fame" :D TFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthepon Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 That one goes in "The Simile Hall of Fame" :D TFS:lol:! Thanks! (Where's my prize for composing it?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFaithfulStone Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Knowing you share space with literary gems like "He hit the pavement like a garbage bag full of vegetable soup." Your brethren Ron TFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthepon Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 :D^:lol:You hurt my literary egoI won't be able to look at myself in the mirror ever again. Gimme some time to check that page out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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