Geocentric Posted June 7, 2006 Report Posted June 7, 2006 It is said that the density and refractive index of a medium are related by the equation, (n - 1)/d = constantwhere n = refractive index, d = density Is it true? Quote
ronthepon Posted June 7, 2006 Report Posted June 7, 2006 Surely that can't be true! There are oils less dense than water, yet more optically refractive. Quote
Tim_Lou Posted June 7, 2006 Report Posted June 7, 2006 it might be true for a certain type of materials, but it cannot be true in general. index of refraction is obtained via experiements. so perhaps your equation is simply a linear fit for some situations. Quote
UncleAl Posted June 9, 2006 Report Posted June 9, 2006 Refractive index is roughly proportional to the square root of the products of medium electrical and magnetic polarizability (e.g., permittivity and permeability). Refractive index increasing with density, mass/volume, is a red herring poorly coupled to increased polarizability of heavy elements. Sulfur (rhombohedral):d = 2.07 g/cm^3nD = 1.957 Bromine:d = 3.119 g/cm^3nD = 1.661 Calcium fluoride:d = 3.180 g/cm^3nD = 1.434 Benzene:d = 0.874nD = 1.501 Hexadeuterobenzene:d = 0.95 g/cm^3nD = 1.497 Hexafluorobenzene:d = 1.612 g/cm^3nD = 1.332 GAHD 1 Quote
Tim_Lou Posted June 10, 2006 Report Posted June 10, 2006 yeah uncleAI is right:the speed of light, this can be derived right out of maxwell's equation:[math]c={1\over{sqrt{\epsilon\mu}}}[/math] Quote
Geocentric Posted June 12, 2006 Author Report Posted June 12, 2006 Refractive index is roughly proportional to the square root of the products of medium electrical and magnetic polarizability (e.g., permittivity and permeability). Refractive index increasing with density, mass/volume, is a red herring poorly coupled to increased polarizability of heavy elements. Sulfur (rhombohedral):d = 2.07 g/cm^3nD = 1.957 Bromine:d = 3.119 g/cm^3nD = 1.661 Calcium fluoride:d = 3.180 g/cm^3nD = 1.434 Benzene:d = 0.874nD = 1.501 Hexadeuterobenzene:d = 0.95 g/cm^3nD = 1.497 Hexafluorobenzene:d = 1.612 g/cm^3nD = 1.332That great. Thanks. Quote
UncleAl Posted June 12, 2006 Report Posted June 12, 2006 Substitute fluorine for hydrogen. Density increases, refractive index decreases. Fluorine is heavy but not polarizable. nonane, C9H20MW = 128.26d = 0.718 9/cm^3nD = 1.405 perfluorononane, C9F20MW = 488.06d = 1.799 g/cm^3nD = 1.267 Quote
Savant Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 I agree with UncleA1 -- sort of. There is a relationship between density and refractive index. Clearly the actual refractive index of bromine at near vacuum is less than liquid bromine. The published (standardized) refractive index of bromine is a refractive index measured at standard conditions thus eliminating density variance. The same can be said of any other material and comparison of refractive indexes of varying materials are also taken at standard conditions that do not permit an easy comparison of density effects. Quote
Savant Posted July 7, 2007 Report Posted July 7, 2007 Out of curiosity, where did GEOCENTRIC obtain this formula? Quote
ZAP-st Posted August 8, 2007 Report Posted August 8, 2007 It is clear that refractive index (RI) is roughly proportional to the square root of the products of medium electrical and magnetic polarizability (e.g., permittivity and permeability). However, the permittivity is essentially the dielectric constant (Kd) of a material. The dielectric constant for water is ~88 while that for cyclohexane is ~. 2. So I am trying to understand, for example, why the RI of cyclohexane (1.46) is greater that that of water (1.33) at 589nm. For the permeability the relationship is The relative permeability Km is equal to magnetic permeability (mu) divided by the, permeability of free space (muo) This is related to the and magnetic susceptibility Xm by Km = to 1- Xm For both water and cyclohexane: Xm is very small making km essentially one for both fluids. Can someone explain why the RI of cyclohexane is greater that that of water even though the dielectric constant is much smaller? What have I overlooked in the relationship between permittivity, permeability and refractive index? Quote
Turtle Posted August 9, 2007 Report Posted August 9, 2007 It is clear that refractive index (RI) is roughly proportional to the square root of the products of medium electrical and magnetic polarizability (e.g., permittivity and permeability). However, the permittivity is essentially the dielectric constant (Kd) of a material. The dielectric constant for water is ~88 while that for cyclohexane is ~. 2. So I am trying to understand, for example, why the RI of cyclohexane (1.46) is greater that that of water (1.33) at 589nm. For the permeability the relationship is The relative permeability Km is equal to magnetic permeability (mu) divided by the, permeability of free space (muo) This is related to the and magnetic susceptibility Xm by Km = to 1- Xm For both water and cyclohexane: Xm is very small making km essentially one for both fluids. Can someone explain why the RI of cyclohexane is greater that that of water even though the dielectric constant is much smaller? What have I overlooked in the relationship between permittivity, permeability and refractive index? I'm not a chemist, just a proof reader. :):hyper: On the bolded phrase, the notation looks to say dielectric contstant of water 'approximately eighty-eight and of cyclohexane 'approximately two-tenths'? Yes/no? However, according to this source, the dielectric constant of water at 68ºF is 80.4 and of cyclohexane at 68ºF is 2.0. Arguably this is still 'much smaller', but the difference of a factor of 10 may affect the rest of your calculation. Is it just a typo? :hihi:http://www.asiinstr.com/technical/Dielectric%20Constants.htm#Section%20Whttp://www.asiinstr.com/technical/Dielectric%20Constants.htm#Section%20C Quote
emill1009 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Posted August 27, 2012 in this article there is a formula relating the density to the refractive index....http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/i560154a012 I am wondering if somebody knows a similar one for oxidic materials. I am interested in the refractive index of Cu3B2O6. Thank you. Quote
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