The Anarchy of Offensive Speech

[sanctus]

As you see in my signature I do believe in utopies.

One of those utopies is that I believe the aim of human evolution should be anarchy. By anarchy I mean a society where there is no need for laws not one where they have been abolished.

 

ALthough I'm aware that my grandchildren (if I'll have some) will be already long-time dead before the "ultimate society" exists, I still believe it os the thing we should try to work towards. What do you think?

 

 

NOTE: This thread was split off from an original thread "anarchy and the aim of evolution". This post is sanctus' original post in that thread. You may view it 5717 -- Buffy

[DarkColoredLight]

People don't realize if they change themself, they change the world.

In the immortal words of Tupac "One nigga, teach two niggas

 

four niggas teach more niggas

 

All tha poor niggas

 

Tha penn niggas

 

Tha rich niggas

 

Tha strong niggas

 

UNITE"

 

A lot of people don't like that word. The "N" word that is. Maybe because they're scared of it, maybe they don't understand it. I'd like to think being a nigger/a doesn't mean you have black, brown, or tan skinned. It means you don't understand, and you can't understand. Possibly because you don't want to understand.

 

I offened the offendable. And I'll take whatever responsiblity comes with it.

[Edella]

 

A lot of people don't like that word. The "N" word that is. Maybe because they're scared of it, maybe they don't understand it. I'd like to think being a nigger/a doesn't mean you have black, brown, or tan skinned. It means you don't understand, and you can't understand. Possibly because you don't want to understand.

Any other derogatory epithets you'd like to bandy about?Discussion of current or historical usage would be fine;Your post comes off as immature and combative.

 

I offened the offendable

Sounds like a fun sport.

[anglepose]

bloody hell man you are seriusly offensive what would oyu say if i called you every word in the dictionary then told you you dont understand fer crying out loud just look at your username even thats racicst.

[Buffy]

Your post comes off as immature and combative.

I'll second that motion, and point out that your post had nothing to do with this thread, and that made it obvious that you're just showing off. How immature. Shock value may be underappreciated by those over the age of 14, but there's a reason for it. It really just tells us things about you that are the opposite of what you think of yourself, and none of them are pleasant.

 

I'd suggest you take some time to consider what your posts make you look like to others.

 

Cheers,

Buffy

[DarkColoredLight]

I didn't say you guys specificly don't understand the word. But, my point is that the heart of the word has abosolutly nothing to do with race.

 

I see that I probably come off as immature. With that, am I going to mature any faster chatting it up with other immature persons? I believe there is a block button, if you're really not liking my style, you can put it into effect.

 

The way I see it, I know that I know nothing. I know I'm ignorant of the world around me. I know, even though it's not said directly to my face, I'm looked at as a nigger. So I must learn from that.

 

Thanks for your time. :)

[DarkColoredLight]

I'll second that motion, and point out that your post had nothing to do with this thread, and that made it obvious that you're just showing off. How immature. Shock value may be underappreciated by those over the age of 14, but there's a reason for it. It really just tells us things about you that are the opposite of what you think of yourself, and none of them are pleasant.

 

I'd suggest you take some time to consider what your posts make you look like to others.

 

Cheers,

Buffy

 

 

We're talking about change, present leading to future. Teaching each others, sounds like changing, to me. Or maybe I'm too immature to know what change really is.

[Buffy]

Excuse me? You post a completely irrelevant comment who's sole purpose is to shock, say you're going to take responsibility for your actions and then you have the gall to be offended when others make you take responsibility? And your only retort to your childish behavior is to claim everyone else is as immature as you are?

 

That's called chutzpah, and it will not get you anywhere in life. The most difficult thing for any child to learn is that learning the hard way is not the best thing to do: learning from others by listening is much easier.

 

There are other humans on this forum and if you continue to throw dirt in our faces, you will find yourself unwelcome.

 

Cheers,

Buffy

[infamous]

Or maybe I'm too immature to know what change really is.

The advance of years do have the positive effect of teaching one important lessons in life......................However...........

 

one must first learn

 

to listen..................Infy

[infamous]

All despots are anarchists, they have only succeeded in having it all their own way, ulike those under their control.........................Infy

[IDMclean]

Maybe because they're scared of it, maybe they don't understand it.

 

Hey everyone, I think that DarkColouredLight is correct. You people read the word and think one thing, and it is what you've been taught to think.

 

I am a Bastard, by classical definition, I choose not to be offended by the word, in fact it is a badge of pride.

 

Buffy, I am surprised at you. A fan of Tom Lehrer, and you don't take to heart the concept of offending the offendable?

 

Offense is something you take. It is something you define. I am offended. It is all in the statement. It is an admission of responsiblity, you have choosen to be offended at a rather enlightened, if not misguided, statement. that is your choice, and therefore you are one of the offendable.

 

 

Now onto the main event. I have to ask, is anyone here an Anarch? Does anyone here know what Anarchy is? does anyone here know what Anarchy is compared to Despotism or compared to Bureaucracy?

 

(EDIT: Honestly asking, cause so far it seems like the definition of anarchy comes from a place of authority, as with all things apparently on Hypography, I would like to see some evidence. I would like material that backs up the definitions. I want to see what people can dig up, and what people have learned, form whom and where, just like any other subject.)

 

I feel it prudent to define just what is Anarchy, and what does it mean to be an Anarch?

[IDMclean]

The Meanings of a Word

by Gloria Naylor

 

I highly suggest it as a reference. I first read it, along with a number of other brilliant essays in a book called "Models for Writers".

[Buffy]

In the interests of maintaining decorum, the epithets thrown in this post have been highly edited since they managed to serve the intended effect and provide at least some positive result as evidenced below...

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I am a Bastard, by classical definition, I choose not to be offended by the word, in fact it is a badge of pride.

That's the point. You *might* be able to get away with using it *when* you self-identify for *some* audiences, but even if you do, you have NO right to get mad if people complain about your usage of the word. Moreover, its the ultimate in juvenile behavior to self righteously go around using words that are well understood by society to be *epithets* that are *intended* to put people down and then try to claim that its *other peoples* problem if they are offended.

 

If you really don't care what other people think remember two things:

• People will consider you to be a self-centered sociopath and will want to have nothing to do with you.
  
• Some people will take offense--who you obviously feel are lower forms of life because they "can't take a joke"--and some of them carry guns and have itchy trigger fingers
  

As I've said before, Free speech is not without its costs, if you, as DarkLight did above, insist on saying things that are offensive to people (and worse, say that you're prepared to face the consequences), and then whine when people complain, you're <very self-centered>

 

I'll defend to the death your right to *say* things that are offensive, but in the same breath I'll say that you're an boorish, self-centered <idiot> for doing so.

Buffy, my dear, I am surprised at you. A fan of Tom Lehrer, and you don't take to heart the concept of offending the offendable?

Ah, but Mr. Lehrer never needed to decend to the use of epithets to make his points!

Offense is something you take. It is an admission of responsiblity, you have choosen to be offended at a rather enlightened, if not misguided, statement. that is your choice, and therefore you are one of the offendable.

Do you see how selfish and irresponsible this attitude is?

 

Do you understand that one of the fundamental elements of our society is civility toward others?

 

On the other hand, we understand that teenagers (or those who never grew up) to a certain extent can't help themselves, and they will do things that society finds offensive. To the extent that they feel that they should not have to pay the consequences of their actions, they are sorry juveniles indeed.

 

OFFICIAL BOTTOM LINE: This is a public forum. There may indeed be people here who are offended by flippant use of epithets. While we do allow some use in very limited and *appropriate* contexts, and most of us mods are very strong First Amendment supporters, do NOT be surprised when patently juvenile misbehavior is met with derision and scorn. If you keep it up, you will be banned. Unlike most forums, rather than simply banning people without any notice, you'll find that the first step is scolding (and if you're unlucky enough to get me as the scold, you may not like it much). Its not because I'm offended, but its our job a moderators to keep the decorum of this place and make it inviting to all, not just self-important teenagers out to thumb their noses at the world and think that bandying about "forbidden" words is "really cool." Now...

Does anyone here know what Anarchy is? does anyone here know what Anarchy is compared to Despotism or compared to Bureaucracy?

Yes, Anarchy is the absence of all law and any structure or interdependence on others. Thus it is completely different from Despotism--in which there *are* laws, they're just dictated by a single person and inflicted upon all by an armed force--and Bureaucracy which is *not* a political form, but merely a defined structure of responibility to effect a process, whether it is governmental, business, or charity.

 

In Anarchy, the only process is every man for himself and the only interaction between humans is the sentence, "Go $%& yourself."

 

What a pleasant world that would be, eh?

 

Just defending the defenseless,

Buffy

[Edella]

Does anyone here know what Anarchy is? does anyone here know what Anarchy is compared to Despotism or compared to Bureaucracy?

KAC,I think most people here know what anarchy despotism,and Bureaucracy are,and could compare and contrast them if they wished.It is a little condescending to suggest the participants of this thread don't have a clue...

Before I will partisipate any further in this debacle under the banner of anarchy, I feel it prudent to define just what is Anarchy, and what does it mean to be an Anarch?

Debacle?Feel free to disregard this thead if it not to your liking. Define anarchy if you want to,but stop trying to "conduct"this thread like a crabby musical director.

Buffy, my dear

I would also suggest not referring to women you don't know as"my dear".Your pompous attitude does nothing to further this discussion.

[IDMclean]

my dear Mr Son of a *****!

 

Why thank you, not many people tend to use that honorific, my mother is indeed a dama sukka, or The lady is a *****, she will tell you that herself.

 

* People will consider you to be a self-centered sociopath and will want to have nothing to do with you.

* Some people will take offense--who you obviously feel are lower forms of life because they "can't take a joke"--and some of them carry guns and have itchy trigger fingers

 

You have read the Sociopath thread in the Medical section correct? As for people with twitchy trigger fingers? If it gives them such immense pleasure to bleed me of my life blood and take that which is not rightfully theirs then I emplore them to do so. Not to say I won't make it difficult but then again.

 

Further, I generally try to stay away from offending the odd people, most often I do or say something which is found offensive by this or that person, and really there is little I can do about it.

 

egotistical, narcissitic bastard.

Have I ever claimed to be anything other than? Once again I refer you to the Sociopath thread for greater insight.

 

Are you sure you never get offended?

 

I won't lie, infact I always try to be as truthful as possible. Even if it does have rather extreame consequences. I do infact get offended, but the words that offend me are not such simple creatures as bastard, *****, idiot, or any of the conventional words, infact the words that offend me more than any other are not only allowed but encouraged. they have been used on me several times in my time here on this wonderous thread.

 

Do you see how selfish and irresponsible this attitude is?

 

Maybe I have to keep calling you a pea-brained idiot over and over until you get it through your obviously lead-lined skull.

 

Do you understand that one of the fundamental elements of our society is civility toward others? No probably not...

 

You know what's funny about that? The way I thought before was said to be wrong, and got me into far more trouble. I have been taught to perform regular Cognitive therapy on myself, and I have taken to heart to attempt to teach others this particluarly interesting and empowering thing known as "responsiblity".

 

I acknowledge that I make choices and then I deal with the consequences, like now for instance. I decided to defend someone whom I think ultimately, if not crudely, has got a valid point that obviously was missed by people whom focused on the words rather than the statement. focused on a point and missed the whole, you might say.

 

I realize that allot of people don't acknowledge the responsibility they have in a given situation, and I further realize that allot more simply don't care. I still keep on challenging people's views on the world in the hopes that one day they might grow, and might challenge me.

 

I thank you Buffy for defending your stance, I quite enjoy your rhetoric, but I ask that you perhaps concider that maybe you didn't get what was said, and that perhaps it would be prudent to examine what it was that brought about such a negative reaction and why.

 

Also if you would like to continue to call me by explenitives and other such, please do, as there is nothing I can do to get you to choose to stop. It is your choice. Even if I could I would never take your choice away from you. I don't rule you and you don't rule me. We are equals. Now let's act like it.

 

On the other hand, we understand that teenagers (or those who never grew up) to a certain extent can't help themselves, and they will do things that society finds offensive. To the extent that they feel that they should not have to pay the consequences of their actions, they are sorry juveniles indeed.

 

Now I have come close to offence. Not due to infantile name calling, as what is a name but another scent of the rose. Stick and stones may break my bones, but words shall never hurt me. Buffy keep in mind that I think that the term "adult" is a fictious. I do not agree to the generally accepted ploy of "I am older than you therefore I am right." That is a logical fallicy.

 

It's called Ad hominem, and it goes like this:

1. A makes claim X.

2. There is something objectionable about A.

3. Therefore claim X is false.

KickAssclown Makes claim about the right to speak of forbidden words.

KickAssClown is a teenager (an old one but a teenager none-the-less)

Therefore The right to speak of forbidden words is wrong.

 

There are others that work with this also, like common sense dictates that one should not argue with authority, I am confident that this "authority" in this case, AKA you Buffy, is mature enough to hear me out and not ban or otherwise cause repercussion to me for my expression of Freedom of Speech:

 

Appeal to authority:

1. A makes claim B;

2. there is something positive about A,

3. therefore claim B is true.

Buffy makes claim about the innappropiateness of the discussion of "offensive words"

Buffy is a Moderator for the Forums.

Therefore the innappropiateness of the discussion of "offensive words" is right.

 

This one applies as well, Appeal to consequences:

If P, then Q will occur.

Q is desirable/undesirable.

Therefore, P is true/false.

If you say word P, then we will ban you.

Being banned is undesirable

therefore don't say word P.

 

There are others but I won't elaborate. Just keep in mind, please. that I concider myself an adult enough not to be offended by such things. What DCL said has a ring of truth to it. I freely admit that I don't know things, lots of things. I freely admit that I simply don't want to know certain things, and therefore can't.

 

The point is. Words have the power you give them. you reverse the meaning of a "Bad" word and you reverse the power in it.

 

Therefore I would like to note here and now for all to read, and for future reference all the honorifics I have:

Bastard

Son of a *****

Egotisitcal

Arrogant

Narcissistic

Self-Centered

Self-Asorbed

Ignorant

Duck (you can guess that one.)

 

Anyone want to add any? perhaps banned? I won't mind, however if such is to happen than all work that I have posted here is to be taken down immediately, as it is important to me and I have shared it to this community under the belief that we are all mature enough here to discuss issues, basically any issue that arises. That we are basically free in our speech so long as it is not directly aimed to harm anyone.

 

I apologize for the length of this article and I hope to continue being a member of this fine, self acclaimed mature, free forum.

 

So do with me what thout wilt, I will stand by my words and will defend to the death your right to refute them, reasonably, rationaly, and maturely.

[Edella]

KAC now fancies himself a martyr!

[IDMclean]

Did I say I was anything but?