Aliens

[paultrr]

To get some background on the whole issue of communication between different worlds I might suggest: http://doc.cern.ch/archive/electronic/cern/preprints/open/open-2004-029.pdf as a starting point. The attached file, which was an article I did a bit back for the Queenland UFO Inquirier also runs a correlation between commonly reported UFO occupants via the popular press and some scientific based looks at past evolution on our own planet. The two raise an interesting question about potential social differences as far as development goes. Our social background has long dictated the development of language for communication here on earth and does leave one wondering how exactly we should communicte with someone from another world if such an occasion ever arose. The only common ground would be something simular to the language of math itself even though the character systems would most likely be different. This is the general concensus followed by SETI in its own search for signals from ET.

 

The secondary question that should be asked is what type of First Contact do we really want? The following laws are interest on our books:

 

1211.100 Title 14 - Aeronautics and Space

 

Part 1211 - Extra-terrestrial Exposure

 

1211.100 - Scope

 

This part establishes:

NASA policy, responsibility and authority to guard the Earth against any harmful contamination or adverse changes in its environment resulting from personnel, spacecraft and other property returning to the Earth after landing on or coming within the atmospheric envelope of a celestial body; and security requirements, restrictions and safeguards that are necessary in the interest of national security.

1211.101 - Applicability

The provisions of this part to all NASA manned and unmanned space missions which land or come within the atmospheric envelope of a celestial body and return to the Earth.

 

1211.102 - Definitions

 

"NASA" and the "Administrator" mean, respectively, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration or his authorized representative.

"Extra-terrestrially exposed" means the state of condition of any person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever, who or which has: Touched directly or come within the atmospheric envelope or any other celestial body

Touched directly or been in close proximity to (or been exposed indirectly to) any person, property, animal or other form of life or matter who or which has been extra-terrestrially exposed by virtue of paragraph (B)(1) of this section. For example, if person or thing "A" touches the surface of the Moon, and on "A's" return to Earth, "B" touches "A" and, subsequently, "C" touches "B", all of these - "A" through "C" inclusive - would be extra-terrestrially exposed ("A" and "B" directly; "C" indirectly). "Quarantine" means the detention, examination and decontamination of any persons, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever that is extra-terrestrially exposed, and includes the apprehension or seizure of such person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever. "Quarantine period" means a period of consecutive calendar days as may be established in accordance with

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1211.104

 

Administrative actions.

The Administrator or his designee..shall in his discretion:

Determine the beginning and duration of a quarantine period with respect to any space mission; the quarantine period as it applies to various life forms will be announced.

Designate in writing quarantine officers to exercise quarantine authority. Determine that a particular person, property, animal, or other form of life or matter, whatever is extra-terrestrially exposed and quarantine such person, property, animal, or other form of life or matter whatever. The quarantine may be based only on a determination, with or without the benefit of a hearing, that there is probable cause to believe that such person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever is extra-terrestrially exposed. Determine within the United States or within vessels or vehicles of the United States the place, boundaries, and rules of operation of necessary quarantine stations.

Provide for guard services by contract or otherwise, as many be necessary, to maintain security and inviolability of quarantine stations and quarantined persons, property, animals or other form of life or matter whatever. Provide for the subsistence, health and welfare of persons quarantined under the provisions of this part.

Hold such hearings at such times, in such manner and for such purposes as may be desirable or necessary under this part, including hearings for the purpose of creating a record for use in making any determination under this part for the purpose of reviewing any such determination.

During any period of announced quarantine, no person shall enter or depart from the limits of the quarantine station without permission of the cognizant NASA officer. During such period, the posted perimeter of a quarantine station shall be secured by armed guard.

Any person who enters the limits of any quarantine station during the quarantine period shall be deemed to have consented to the quarantine of his person if it is determined that he is or has become extra-terrestrially exposed.

At the earliest practicable time, each person who is quarantined by NASA shall be given a reasonable opportunity to communicate by telephone with legal counsel or other persons of his choice.

 

1211.107 Court or other process

 

NASA officers and employees are prohibited from discharging from the limits of a quarantine station any quarantined person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever during order or other request, order or demand an announced quarantine period in compliance with a subpoena, show cause or any court or other authority without the prior approval of the General Counsel and the Administrator.

Where approval to discharge a quarantined person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever in compliance with such a request, order or demand of any court or other authority is not given, the person to whom it is directed shall, if possible, appear in court or before the other authority and respectfully state his inability to comply, relying for his action on this 1211.107.

 

1211.108 Violations

Whoever willfully violates, attempts to violate, or conspires to violate any provision of this part or any regulation or order issued under this part or who enters or departs from the limits of a quarantine station in disregard of the quarantine rules or regulations or without permission of the NASA quarantine officer shall be fined not more that $5,000 or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

 

However, in light of some of the bacteria reports last year from high altitute studies it does rather make a lot of sence. My question if any would be how would they treat this law if we ever had First Contact. Before anyone answers this question you might also consider:

 

For Immediate Release February 3, 1999

EXECUTIVE ORDER 13112

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INVASIVE SPECIES

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the

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Sec. 3. Invasive Species Council. (a) An Invasive Species Council (Council) is hereby established whose members shall include the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of the Interior, the Secretary of Agriculture, the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of Transportation, and the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency. The Council shall be Co-Chaired by the Secretary of the Interior, the Secretary of Agriculture, and the Secretary of Commerce. The Council may invite additional Federal agency representatives to be members, including representatives from subcabinet bureaus or offices with significant responsibilities concerning invasive species, and may prescribe special procedures for their participation. The Secretary of the Interior shall, with concurrence of the Co-Chairs, appoint an Executive Director of the Council and shall provide the staff and administrative support for the Council.

(B) The Secretary of the Interior shall establish an advisory committee under the Federal Advisory Committee Act, 5 U.S.C. App., to provide information and advice for consideration by the Council, and shall, after consultation with other members of the Council, appoint members of the advisory committee representing stakeholders. Among other things, the advisory committee shall recommend plans and actions at local, tribal, State, regional, and ecosystem-based levels to achieve the goals and objectives of the Management Plan in section 5 of this order. The advisory committee shall act in cooperation with stakeholders and existing organizations addressing invasive species. The Department of the Interior shall provide the administrative and financial support for the advisory committee.

 

Sec. 4. Duties of the Invasive Species Council. The Invasive Species Council shall provide national leadership regarding invasive species, and shall:

(a) oversee the implementation of this order and see that the Federal agency activities concerning invasive species are coordinated, complementary, cost-efficient, and effective, relying to the extent feasible and appropriate on existing organizations addressing invasive species, such as the Aquatic Nuisance Species Task Force, the Federal Interagency Committee for the Management of Noxious and Exotic Weeds, and the Committee on Environment and Natural Resources;

(B) encourage planning and action at local, tribal, State, regional, and ecosystem-based levels to achieve the goals and objectives of the Management Plan in section 5 of this order, in cooperation with stakeholders and existing organizations addressing invasive species;

© develop recommendations for international cooperation in addressing invasive species;

(d) develop, in consultation with the Council on Environmental Quality, guidance to Federal agencies pursuant to the National Environmental Policy Act on prevention and control of invasive species, including the procurement, use, and maintenance of native species as they affect invasive species;

(e) facilitate development of a coordinated network among Federal agencies to document, evaluate, and monitor impacts from invasive species on the economy, the environment, and human health;

(f) facilitate establishment of a coordinated, up-to-date information-sharing system that utilizes, to the greatest extent practicable, the Internet; this system shall facilitate access to and exchange of information concerning invasive species, including, but not limited to, information on distribution and abundance of invasive species; life histories of such species and invasive characteristics; economic, environmental, and human health impacts; management techniques, and laws and programs for management, research, and public education; and

(g) prepare and issue a national Invasive Species Management Plan as set forth in section 5 of this order.

Sec. 5. Invasive Species Management Plan. (a) Within 18 months after issuance of this order, the Council shall prepare and issue the first edition of a National Invasive Spe

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WILLIAM J. CLINTON

THE WHITE HOUSE,

February 3, 1999.

 

Neither of these two laws were invented due to Alien vistors. But they do open the door to their direct application in the event of such.

One reason I bring this up concerns the issue of how ready we are for even First Contact. If this planet ever received visitors from another world some of our laws could indeed be used against those same visitors. Copies of these laws and transmitted over the web very often and in some cases by means of radio.

A bit back there was an article in Space.com on how well could aliens spot earth from out there. The question might at times be asked what types of messages are we sending out there to other worlds. Basically, if you look at the general message we’ve portrayed in radio and TV over the years when it comes to the alien question about the only positive type messages have come from certain modern SF shows like ST and Babylon Five. Some of the original radio shows like War of the Worlds tended to display the message that we will fight you at all cost.

So, while many of man’s recent efforts and scientific programs have been geared to answer the basic question are we alone out here, with perhaps some general hope of an eventual First Contact it would also be perhaps fitting in the people of Planet earth did some thought to the type of message we send out there ourselves, and, the implication of some of our present laws on the books.

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This is in itself a problem when it comes to language barriers we might have. It would not take much different intelligence than our own to watch some of the shows that have aired over the years and decide this Planet is a problem when it comes to First Contact. Our general message is we do not trust you and we will fight to distroy you. That message has been going out since the earliest days of radio and tv towards the same potential worlds we scientific wise seek to make contact with. Personally, if I was them I'd be apt not to want us to know they exist.

[burnitall31]

i believe in aliens and all of the above... right at the moment i'm writing a paper on it....

 

 

in my researching i found that alot of times people have scars and other such things from "aductions"... and as for humans intracting... what about canablist... would you wanna sit down and eat with them? you might be dinner. life is full of little things that dont make sense. alot of astronuts will tell you that they saw something when they were up there. yes there are alot of people just trying to pull your leg. but i believe.

 

 

 

:)

[Tormod]

what about canablist... would you wanna sit down and eat with them? you might be dinner.

 

The chances that human beings will be good food for aliens are very slim. Most likely our meat will be poison to any non-Earth creatures.

[Queso]

and you all have to consider the fact that the chances of*"them" being anywhere near our size is VERY slim. either they're going to be very very small, or gigantic. this is where almost every alien movie every made has screwed up, that's why it's in your heads like that.

[Buffy]

and you all have to consider the fact that the chances of*"them" being anywhere near our size is VERY slim. either they're going to be very very small, or gigantic.

...and integral to this notion is that they'd have *lots* of trouble with either the strength of gravity on earth or our air pressure. Most likely they'd explode like the aliens in Mars Attacks when they hear Slim Whitman....

 

Cheers,

Buffy

[Queso]

precisely.

[Jay-qu]

I think that if they were smart enough to get here, than they would be smart enough to avoid crashing their space ship from any complications they come accross in a foriegn situation.

[burnitall31]

The chances that human beings will be good food for aliens are very slim. Most likely our meat will be poison to any non-Earth creatures.

 

 

i wasnt talking them eating humans .... i was talking about the different cultures on earth. theyr are canablist on earth... would you liek to met one? i wouldnt really want to.

 

a canablist also would not greet you... ten to one... or maybe they would if they wanted to fatten you up... just a thought

 

*how do you change the curious thing?

[Queso]

you change the curious thing by posting more.

[Fishteacher73]

A majority of extant cannibals are symbolicly so, ie they consume the flesh as symbolism and not for nutrition... (ie Catholics and communion...South Fore` peoples of New Guinea)

[Tormod]

you change the curious thing by posting more.

 

Quote of the week. :)

[C1ay]

how do you change the curious thing?

Welcome to Hypography burnitall31. It will change after you reach 10 posts. Here is a post outlining the user levels here at Hypography.

 

Happy posting,

[Queso]

Quote of the week. :)

haha i had just woken up, i realized i couldn't get into detail because i was so tired. nevertheless, it was the truth!