Fuel prices...

[Jay-qu]

or we use more sustainable fuels for our vehicles.. In Linkoping, Sweden the whole town runs on methane-rich clean fuel created by animal waste. Most of the town’s buses, taxis, even the train run this biogas. They hope to be completely fuel free by 2020.

[IDMclean]

Question: Is this sustainable for 1 billion-6 billion people? What are the effects on the atmosphere, using this bio-gas. How much do the vehicals themselves cost to produce, what is the advantages and disadvatages of having independent human delivery systems?

 

How about the processes that lead to the construction of these vehicals? Can they be switched over to this biogas, and can we sustain a worldwide industry powered on just that?

 

Just some quiestions to think about, cause I see that the world needs a major change, and we have to be ready. Planning in the short term is good for now, but is a quick fix, planning in the long term will benefit us, as a society, more.

 

Oil is our power reserve as of now. Oil will run out. Biogas, is likewise, perhaps a better choice but still lacking.

[Turtle]

Originally Cars were introduced wide spread to justify the cost of building and maintaining the Interstate roads, for freight.

:) :) :)

The official title of "interstates" is The National System of Interstate and Defense Highways. The purpose was (is?) national defense. The interstate system was authorized by the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 far far after cars were widely introduced. Henry Ford introduced the Model T in 1908.

 

Trivia Extra: Henry Ford is also responsible for the charcoal briquet as we know it today; it was a means to get rid of all the wood scraps from making Model T frames as well as provide fuel for picknickers going out to picinic in their Model T's.

[Mercedes Benzene]

Trivia Extra: Henry Ford is also responsible for the charcoal briquet as we know it today; it was a means to get rid of all the wood scraps from making Model T frames as well as provide fuel for picknickers going out to picinic in their Model T's.

 

 

hmmmm... interesting.... I will never look at grilling steaks the same way again! Now all I'll be able to think of is national defense, and your scary avatar!:eplane:

[Jay-qu]

Question: Is this sustainable for 1 billion-6 billion people? What are the effects on the atmosphere, using this bio-gas. How much do the vehicals themselves cost to produce, what is the advantages and disadvatages of having independent human delivery systems?

 

Maybe not for that many people, but it shows the kind of thinking we should be doing. If we came up with a number of these alternatives, I do think it would indeed be sustainable. As for the atmosphere, it burns cleaner than petrol, no sulfur.

[Michaelangelica]

or we use more sustainable fuels for our vehicles.. In Linkoping, Sweden the whole town runs on methane-rich clean fuel created by animal waste. Most of the town’s buses, taxis, even the train run this biogas. They hope to be completely fuel free by 2020.

Yes they have shown it can be done and using local wastes too. Although you may need a cow farm nearby.

Any close to NY? If so, Now would be the time to buy shares in it:)

[Jay-qu]

you would need one hell-of-a cow farm to fuel NY, while it is a great solution for this small town, the scale needed to fuel such a large city would be impracticle - I just like the concept of the idea and the brave few that have taken a step towards a sustainable future.

[Michaelangelica]

you would need one hell-of-a cow farm to fuel NY, while it is a great solution for this small town, the scale needed to fuel such a large city would be impracticle - I just like the concept of the idea and the brave few that have taken a step towards a sustainable future.

What about fart powered cars.

Must be a fair bit of that in NY?:hyper:

 

Then of course there is Permiculture

nice idea but?