Animal origins of michelangelo's sistine chapel

[motherengine]

are there more men in the fields of art (film, writing, music, etc...), and, if so, does this fact have to do with males of the human species having a biological imperative to spread their seed?

 

[this is not intended as a 'sexist' question though it may be taken as such]

 

a thought from taco chang.

[InfiniteNow]

Are you asking if populations of artists tend to be skewed by gender such that there is a higher frequency of males than females? If so, that's a tough question to answer. You would need to define what it means to be an artist, and ensure you measure correctly your population. However, from a more abstract/rhetorical POV...

 

Males do tend to compete for the attention of females, whether physically, mentally, or economically. Just think of the Peacock effect. The male peacock is the pretty one (females not much color or flare). The males with the brighter and more attractive displays get the females. (However, it's important to note that their displays are more of an indicator of health and fitness, which is really the primary motivator females being drawn to them, not the color and variety within display itself).

 

However, I'd argue that art is more of a creative enterprise, and clearly, when it comes to creation... females beat us on that every time. It takes two to create, and there is clear interplay and overlap in sexual reproduction, but I still see the female as creator. Based on this, if your logic above is accurate and my sense of the female creativity holds any weight, one would think that females would be more artistic than males.

 

Anyway, all that aside, you'd be hard pressed to argue for gender specificity in any artistic creation, especially when gender boundaries are becoming more and more blurred, and the definition of art so subjective and hard to pin down.

[Panjandrum]

are there more men in the fields of art (film, writing, music, etc...), and, if so, does this fact have to do with males of the human species having a biological imperative to spread their seed?

 

No and no.

[InfiniteNow]

No and no.

Such strong assertions need to be supported by evidence of some sort. Please recall the "science" inspired tone of this site.

 

 

Cheers. :)

[Panjandrum]

No, there is no evidence whatsoever that there are fewer female artists than male, once you remove overt social restrictions, and no, men are no driven to create art in an attempt to 'spread their seed'. Art is a simple expression of egotism, and that is true for both sexes. And the myth of the philandering male is just that, a myth. In reality, it is women who are more likely to be unfaithful than men, and the reason is pretty obvious. A woman always knows that her children are hers, a man can never be certain that his are. It is therefore overwhelmingly in the interests of men to enforce strict monogamy. It is not surprise that in male dominated societies, strict codes of marriage and married behaviour are the norm.

[InfiniteNow]

Panj,

 

Please note that I did not call into question your passion on the topic, simply asked you to support your claims which were stated in the absolute. You responded with more claims, but no support. Please address these issues or discontinue posting to the thread.

 

 

Cheers. :eplane:

[Panjandrum]

I believe the burden of proof is on MotherEngine, since s/he is the one who has made this outlandish claim, with no support whatsoever.

 

Im not sure what you mean by support in this case. I express what I know, how can I be expected to do more?

[InfiniteNow]

I believe the burden of proof is on MotherEngine, since s/he is the one who has made this outlandish claim, with no support whatsoever.

 

Im not sure what you mean by support in this case. I express what I know, how can I be expected to do more?

So, instead of posting "no and no," you should have asked MotherEngine to support their claim. However, you did not do this, and you made a statement in the absolute. I am not asking you to support ME's post, but yours. Now, please address my request.

[Panjandrum]

Demographic breakdown of artists

 

As for the second question, I would recomend a book entitled "Dr Tatiana's Sex Advice To All Creation" which explains the fallacious basis of many of our ideas about sex and relationships.

[motherengine]

However, I'd argue that art is more of a creative enterprise, and clearly, when it comes to creation... females beat us on that every time. It takes two to create, and there is clear interplay and overlap in sexual reproduction, but I still see the female as creator. Based on this, if your logic above is accurate and my sense of the female creativity holds any weight, one would think that females would be more artistic than males.QUOTE]

 

not to be an ***, but females have nothing to do with creating babies. like males they simply go through the motions set into the human species long before either were born. sorry, but i just have a difficult time with the whole sacred feminine thing. strip away pretentions and neither men and women are sacred. feminism is about equality, not patronization. hows that for digression?

[motherengine]

No, there is no evidence whatsoever that there are fewer female artists than male, once you remove overt social restrictions, and no, men are no driven to create art in an attempt to 'spread their seed'. Art is a simple expression of egotism, and that is true for both sexes. And the myth of the philandering male is just that, a myth. In reality, it is women who are more likely to be unfaithful than men, and the reason is pretty obvious. A woman always knows that her children are hers, a man can never be certain that his are. It is therefore overwhelmingly in the interests of men to enforce strict monogamy. It is not surprise that in male dominated societies, strict codes of marriage and married behaviour are the norm.

 

interesting theory. this is along the lines of why i believe the stud/slut dichotomy exists, being that a man can go directly from mate to mate while a woman may have to spend time bringing a child to term after just one sexual encounter. of course this is just an idea.

[motherengine]

I believe the burden of proof is on MotherEngine, since s/he is the one who has made this outlandish claim, with no support whatsoever.

 

Im not sure what you mean by support in this case. I express what I know, how can I be expected to do more?

 

i made no claim at all. i clearly stated that this was a "thought" by a friend of mine (user name taco chang).

[Panjandrum]

interesting theory. this is along the lines of why i believe the stud/slut dichotomy exists, being that a man can go directly from mate to mate while a woman may have to spend time bringing a child to term after just one sexual encounter. of course this is just an idea.

 

Yes, I concur entierly. I would also cite the disproportionate number of women diagnosed with BPD against the dispoportionate number of men diagnosed with APD as another example of the same behaviour being treated differently on the basis of sex alone.