Do you believe in destinity?

[hallenrm]

I know I am treading a sticky space here, but still i dare to ask!

 

Do you believe in destiny? That is, you and everybody else is destined to have certain fate. Sounds like Intelligent design, but is it so?

 

In The Indian philosophy, there is a concept named Karma. According to it "What you sow, so shall you reap"

 

There is yet another concept, that the soul never dies, it only changes its form.

 

Combine the two, and one has the fantastic concept of fate.

 

If you do evil in a particular incarnation, you may have to suffer the punishments in the future births. You cannot escape.

 

If people seem to escape punishment in their lifetime, it is only because they did noble deeds in the previous birth.

 

So, the discussion topic is wide open for everybody to participate and vote too!!:eek2:

[ronthepon]

Even if there is fate, then there will be no way for us to be sure of it's existence and thus we will never be able to be sure.

 

'string theory'

[InfiniteNow]

Honestly, I ebb and flow back and forth, because each day the concept of destiny means something a little different to me.

[hallenrm]

Even if there is fate, then there will be no way for us to be sure of it's existence and thus we will never be able to be sure.

 

'string theory'

 

Honestly, how many concepts can you be sure of? We believe in concepts only because people around us, whom we have been taught to respect say that those things exist. But how many of them you can verify for your self.

 

fate on the other hand is within the realm of everybody's experience. have you ever thought why you are, what you are. Why there are so big differences between the facilities different people enjoy?

 

think, dear ronthenpon, think!!!:doh:

[hallenrm]

Well i have voted yes, so let me tell the reason too.

 

If we do believe in causality then it is a natural corollary. after all there has to be a cause for human misery or good fortune.

 

am i making sense?

[InfiniteNow]

Well i have voted yes, so let me tell the reason too.

 

If we do believe in causality then it is a natural corollary. after all there has to be a cause for human misery or good fortune.

 

am i making sense?

What about Bell's Theorem?

[hallenrm]

Looks like I have succeeded in making my fellow members dumbfounded! nobody wants to say any thing,

 

So here's a link for those who would like some more info on the destiny.

 

Guess, who is the author!!!

[hallenrm]

And if that does not sound very covincing, here's the link to the article on destiny in wikipedia.:confused: :xx:

[hallenrm]

Here are some quotes about destiny

 

 

Destiny is not a matter of chance; but a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for, It is a thing to be acheived.

-- William Jennings Bryant

 

Destiny is but a phrase of the weak human heart - the dark apology for every error. The strong and virtuous admit no destiny. On earth conscience guides; in heaven God watches. And destiny is but the phantom we invoke to silence the one and dethrone the other.

-- Edward Bulwer-Lytton

 

Wedding is destiny, and hanging likewise.

-- John Heywood

 

Each religion, by the help of more or less myth which it takes more or less seriously, proposes some method of fortifying the human soul and enabline it to make its peace with its destiny.

-- George Santayana

 

"Our destiny exercises its influence over us even when, as yet, we have not learned its nature: it is our future that lays down the law of our today." --Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

[TheBigDog]

There is no destiny. There can be coincidence. There can be rewards that result from hard work. And there can be local imbalances in terms of luck. But there is no destiny.

 

Bill

[TheFaithfulStone]

I'm not sure fate and destiny are the same thing.

 

You can fail to fulfill a destiny for example.

 

TFS

[hallenrm]

There is no destiny. There can be coincidence. There can be rewards that result from hard work. And there can be local imbalances in terms of luck. But there is no destiny.

 

Bill

 

So, you believe in luck, just another name of destiny!!

[DarkColoredLight]

So, you believe in luck, just another name of destiny!!

 

Luck is nothing more than being perpaired for opportunity.

 

 

As for the thread question. Sure it's possible. I'd like to believe it, but if I believe it too much I won't do anything with my life. Because without the will to do, I'm just another lazy dumb American.

 

Sort of contradiction, I want to believe, but I make sure I don't. But hey, it works.

[hallenrm]

Luck is nothing more than being prepared for opportunity.

As for the thread question. Sure it's possible. I'd like to believe it, but if I believe it too much I won't do anything with my life. Because without the will to do, I'm just another lazy dumb American.

 

Sort of contradiction, I want to believe, but I make sure I don't. But hey, it works.

 

That's some progress indeed, in the discussion.

 

Destiny doesn't necessarily mean that an individual action is meaning less, otherwise there will be an endless similar destinies for all souls.

 

If you go through my first post in this thread carefully, the destiny of an individual is said to be determined by the actions of the individual in previous births.

 

So while an individual may not be destined to get the desired fruits for all actions, for a time period (retribution for the past sins) the good actions are bound to bear sweat fruits in future.

 

Destiny is indeed the philosophy that can control the spread of crime; law does not discourage criminals because there are always ways that one can escape the clutches of the law enforcement agencies, but the fear of the destiny can indeed help to bring morality on a strong ground.

 

I can understand why most scientists dare not speak about destiny, it is essentially because it appears to be outside the preview of scientific investigation. People associated with science behave like gallant soldiers of an army, who have to fight the so called enemy, even though they may be of the opinion that it is an unfair war.!!!

[DarkColoredLight]

War, hrm, what is it good for? Absolutly nothing.

 

But that's sort of a different topic.

 

 

I decided to make my apperence in this thread because before I had read this, I was reading the metaphor about life being a river. Pre birth, your soul (one water molecule) would be atop a mountain then, would choose a stream to start and even maybe the means to an end of the bodies life. Along the way your unconsious awakened body has the free will to move about different rivers and other bodies of water. Also, it has the free will to be at the dark merky bottom or on the surface having light shined on it. Some souls are nearly perfect or what have you. So, they choose to have an extra hardship ie disablities, allergies, birth defects, addictions, obsessions, etc etc. That way they can hope and see if their soul grows from it's struggle on earth or if they're really not worth. More perfect ones seek to be understood, hence metal retardation. They want to keep their happiness, and teach other souls that people are people no matter what way, shape, or form. In the end we're all supposed to be back in the ocean waiting to get back in the cycle again, but that's not what I plan to do.

 

Me, I'm a middle class military mut (1/2 "american," 1/2 filipino). My expirences(ND) have taught me well, and I know I'm not done learning. I also know they don't have to be near death to learn from them. I just have to suffer, be pitiful, then make sure that doesn't happen again. Oh yeah, then let it happen again. Sort of going "against the flow of things" but that's just the way I think I am destined to do. Go back to the top of the mountain to meet my maker because, if he is up there, and when I get up there, we might be able to learn from each other. If there's no one there, I guess I'll have to be the one people look up to.

 

As for war; It's nothing more than two different opinions that think the other side deserves to die. Since a part of me is apposed to war, I think both sides deserve to die. I'll leave it up to them to kill each other off.

 

 

:esmoking:,

DCL

[cockydude]

Well if you define destiny as the inevitable then there are too many external factors that would affect our own lives. Hence we do not have total control to our own future. This way there is "destiny." Its like other people's own lives interwind into another's with much complexity resulting in "destiny" which the individuals have no control upon.

No magic involved, conincidence maybe

[DarkColoredLight]

Well if you define destiny as the inevitable then there are too many external factors that would affect our own lives. Hence we do not have total control to our own future. This way there is "destiny." Its like other people's own lives interwind into another's with much complexity resulting in "destiny" which the individuals have no control upon.

No magic involved, conincidence maybe

 

 

Ah yes, destiny is very complex. But, if you define destiny as the inevitable then couldn't you consider death everyones destiny?

 

Then, the factors of death(Why, When, Where, etc) are up to how you played the game of life. One could say a person can only know their destiny if they know themself. Then, they can "find" the destiny that best suits them. It's up to them if they WANT to believe that destiny is for them, or if they DO believe that destiny is them.