Global Warming Cause: People or Planetary Mechanics?

[TheFaithfulStone]

Nuh uh on the Moon getting closer; it is receeding from us.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/c...moondrift.html

 

I stand corrected.

 

TFS

[Turtle]

Heres something no one has mentioned; methane! Moo moo buckaroo!

While manure-derived methane is proving very useful, the methane cows burp is causing problems. Methane is a greenhouse gas and, in the atmosphere, contributes to global warming. Cows burp an abundant supply of it every day — about 280 liters per animal (in other words, the average cow could fill 140 two-liter soda bottles with gas daily). Unfortunately, burped methane is more difficult to collect, with the result that about six million metric tons of it float blissfully up into the atmosphere every year. And that's just from herds in the United States. (Worldwide, ruminant livestock — including cattle, sheep, goats, and buffalo — produces about 80 million metric tons of methane per year, accounting for 22% of anthropogenic methane emissions.)

 

Methane is second only to carbon dioxide in the list of greenhouse gases. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, it's 21 times better at trapping heat in the atmosphere than CO2 (a fact that can be attributed to the larger size of CH4 molecules). The six million tons of methane that North American cows burp annually are equivalent to 36 million tons of carbon dioxide.

(http://www.riverdeep.net/current/200...cowpower.jhtml)

:hyper:

[paigetheoracle]

Heres something no one has mentioned; methane! Moo moo buckaroo!

 

Who gives a fart abou that!:hyper:

[Michaelangelica]

Is this press release of interest?

From

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/7/prweb413905.htm

 

Does anyone know what "The self powered water hydration system" is? or some of the other weird "new cutting-edge projects" /inventions mentioned?

 

 

Quest Innovations & Research Announces Inventions to Help Solve Environmental Issues

 

Quest Innovations & Research shares information, develops prototypes, collaborates with new projects, and implements inventions to help sustain life on our overburdened planet.

 

(PRWEB) July 21, 2006 -- The major environmental issues our world faces are problems that must be solved for the survival of life.

According to The Natural Resources Defense Council, scientists say that unless global warming emissions are reduced, average global temperatures could rise another 3 to 9 degrees by the end of the century -- with far-reaching effects. Sea levels will rise, flooding coastal areas. Heat waves will be more frequent effecting crop yields, health and water sources.

Droughts and wildfires will occur more often. Disease-carrying mosquitoes will expand their range and species will be pushed to extinction.

 

According to Richard C. Duncan, author of "The World Petroleum Life-cycle," a general consensus is developing among geologists that oil production at current levels can not be maintained beyond 2010.

Even if new oil fields are developed, they will serve at best to delay briefly, the decline in production. Hunger and disease will be increased because of the increase in the depletion of minerals in soil, decreased water sources and drought. More than 852 million people in the world go hungry.

In developing countries, 6 million children die each year, mostly from hunger-related causes. In the United States, 14 million children live in households where people have to skip meals or eat less to make ends meet. That means one in ten households in the U.S. are living with hunger or are at risk of hunger.

 

The ongoing invention development of Quest Innovations & Research promotes technology collaboration for new cutting-edge projects to have effective support for the world’s issues.

The current projects work together as a system and holds major promise for a struggling planet.

The self powered water hydration system will eliminate the need to pump water from the ground or dam rivers. The mobile water unit will extract enough water from the atmosphere to supply homes, business, communities, and disaster relief.

The perpetual-type energy system is a self-sustaining power producing unit. It will provide clean electrical energy and is 100% environmentally safe. The unit will provide power for itself and be fully mobile and adaptable for varied energy uses.

The hydroponics farming system will turn some of the worst soils into some of the richest.

Farming with the soil "Terra Preta" will generate an estimated 880% increase in food production with less land use.

The water turbine system produces electric current from water flowing over a turbine. This unit will not require a river or a dam to operate and is environmentally safe.

 

Please visit Quest Innovations Research at http://www.questinnovations.net and participate in collaboration with individuals, groups, communities, organizations, businesses, agencies and nations to help life survive on planet Earth.

[Michaelangelica]

Heres something no one has mentioned; methane! Moo moo buckaroo!

 

Who gives a fart abou that!:)

Terrible punny :hihi: 1/10

 

Does anyone have a list of all the greenhouse gasses and where they come from?

[Zythryn]

Off the top of my head, I only know of the top three which have already been mentioned:

 

Water

Co2

Methane

 

The cow burps is a very small amount of methane compared to the methane sequestered along the ocean floor. Studies seem to indicate that once these pockets of methane are released, the sudden release triggers some really 'fun' events. Basically it is suspected to be a major tipping point.

 

The study linked this as one of the causes of a major extinction event 250 million years ago.

 

Anyone know how long methane remains in the atmosphere until it is reabsorbed again? I know water vapor is measured in hours/days and Co2 is measured in decades/century. However I have no clue about the time it takes for methane to be pulled out of the atmosphere.

[Zythryn]

Another greenhouse gas is Nitrous Oxide

[Turtle]

Does anyone have a list of all the greenhouse gasses and where they come from?

 

Sure thing; ask & you shall receive.

 

 

Found this nice table at Wicky from IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change). All the green-house gasses, their levels in 1998 & 1750 & related data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_list_of_greenhouse_gases

 

The methane under the oceans is in the form of methane hydrate which is only stable to about 18 °C.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_hydrate

 

PS I took the mischievous approach to the poll by intentionally leaving out a "Both" option. I figured if I added it, everyone would choose it which is tantamount to a poll with only 1 option. The devil made me do it.:lol: :hyper:

[Zythryn]

Excellent information Turtle, thanks for the information!

[Turtle]

Excellent information Turtle, thanks for the information!

 

My pleasure.:)

 

On the idea of planetary mechanics cycles I offer this. From just one source we have these unclarified numbers in terms of cycle durations:

 

Periods of Earth warming and cooling occur in cycles. This is well understood, as is the fact that small-scale cycles of about 40 years exist within larger-scale cycles of 400 years, which in turn exist inside still larger scale cycles of 20,000 years, and so on.

 

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

 

Taking just these 3 cycle lengths of 40, 400, & 20,000. From a starting point where all cycles are aligned or synced to a low (high, start, finish, what have you), the system of those three linked cycles will not repeat that syncronization until 40*400*20,000 = 320,000,000 years. Toss in the 100,000 year solar cycle = 32,000,000,000,000 years. Don't forget the 11 year sunspot cycle, now we're up to 352,000,000,000,000 years. :eek2:

[pgrmdave]

From the wikipedia:

 

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/001.htm

and

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pns/current_ghg.html

 

- Seem to have accurate information, but I haven't had the time to go through them. I'll see if I can glean some more information from them this weekend and post it.

[Turtle]

From the wikipedia:

 

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/001.htm

and

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pns/current_ghg.html

 

- Seem to have accurate information, but I haven't had the time to go through them.

 

Nice catch Dave! From the first link so far, the rate of sea level rise which we haven't even argued (debated:hihi: ) over yet.

B.4 Observed Changes in Sea Level

Changes during the instrumental record

Based on tide gauge data, the rate of global mean sea level rise during the 20th century is in the range 1.0 to 2.0 mm/yr, with a central value of 1.5 mm/yr (the central value should not be interpreted as a best estimate). (See Box 2 for the factors that influence sea level.) As Figure 6 indicates, the longest instrumental records (two or three centuries at most) of local sea level come from tide gauges. Based on the very few long tide-gauge records, the average rate of sea level rise has been larger during the 20th century than during the 19th century. No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected. This is not inconsistent with model results due to the possibility of compensating factors and the limited data.

It's a record breaking heat wave here; we're expected to reach into the 100's. Darn planetary mechanics!:eek2:

[InfiniteNow]

It's a record breaking heat wave here; we're expected to reach into the 100's.

Let me know when y'all finally arrive... I'll meet you at the door with a frozen rita, complete with chips and salsa... :eek2:

[Turtle]

This graph goes to my point that we have no idea what the "norm" is & trying to "fix" things under that constrait is logically fallacious>

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/figts-9.htm

[Zythryn]

How much has our understanding of these various items has increased in the last 5 years (graph is dated 2001).

 

This says nothing about temperatures. Really, if it is normal or not makes zero difference. The base issue is, can we prevent disasters from happening, or if not, can we better prepare ourselves to deal with the disasters as they occur?

[Turtle]

The base issue is, can we prevent [planetary mechanics derived] disasters from happening, or if not, can we better prepare ourselves to deal with the disasters as they occur?

 

No

Yes

*bracketed text mine

 

I keep wishing we had an Earth smiley; after all we have a Moon & Sun.:eek2: :)

[Cedars]

This graph goes to my point that we have no idea what the "norm" is & trying to "fix" things under that constrait is logically fallacious>

 

And that sums it up quite well!

 

While searching for info on the amount of CO2 produced yearly by the natural processes of the earth compared to the amount people put in, I found variations of 3-7% man made all the way up to 25% man made. Of course, none of the sources indicated where they had their stats from.

 

One claimed "no one knows how much CO2 the earth produces yearly."

 

One used the term Gigatons in reference to the amount produced by the earth.

 

One green site claimed 75% of CO2 is produced by man.

 

So I am left having no idea on how much CO2 is produced naturally by the earth.