Why?

[matrixscarface]

Why are there terrorist attacks on innocent people? why do people need to die? for what? geed? money? power? people die because a few men are upset with us? the terror in england, i won't understand.. why england? they are peaceful people who didn't do anything? if anyone would attack then id be the french, because of the long history. but france won't attack england. but why is it that a few people got to spoil the party of the world by killing? why can't there be a cease-fire with these people and make it right? how many people have died so far? 30,000? we've lost about over a 1,000 in the iraq war, and people talk about pulling out because of such a large loss..

 

I do not argue that, we all know about world war 1 and world war 2, where millions apon millions where killed. a single life lost, is a horrible thing. i recently read, stephen hawking asked on a yahoo forum?!? i think.. about how can humans expect to survive the next 100 years! im 16 years young. i am right there when that would happen. i am a american, i personally hate what america is doing. i strongly disagree about what choices are made here. our own president invaded iraq on weapons of mass destruction. we didn't find any. maybe because there wasn't any! i don't see saddam having the balls to create something and then push war. why would he? realize for a sec. that if he had done this.. that the whole world would of been after him and his army. but we've easily crushed them. there is no army in iraq expect the american's and a hand full of other's from around the world.

 

I don't mean anything toward our boys over there.. they are our pride. but doesn't it seem more toward the truth if we went over there for oil? im not shocked. greed has gone too far.. oil is soo toxic, yet worth so much to so many. ask anybody! anybody in chemistry forum and they'll tell you about how the stuff is killing the atmosphere, how cancer seems to be coming from pollution, how we've killed for it. is it worth to die for something that will later snowball into the end of the world?

 

i ask a single person, anybody, from anywhere, to say to me how things are going in the right direction.

 

:lol: :cup: :hihi:

[Tarantism]

how are things going in the right direction...

 

they arent. good post. i think that there are tresspassers on all sides of the equation, and that it cant even be considered math because, while it will add up eventually, there isnt an equals sign here. :eek:

[matrixscarface]

someone tell me, how we can fix this? there doesn't seem to be a way out.. terror, nuclear weapons, cancer, aids, from corruption to an african holocost.. arms dealers.. ak47.. cocaine.. there is a terrible thing, drugs.. im a town over from my own.. there have been 10 heroin deaths in the past month. drug dealers have laced (mixed) it with sentenal ?!?! don't know how to spell it.. along with painkillers and things like that. is it becoming so bad, that children want to kill and become drug dealers... curse walking down the street, smoking and drinking beginning at age 11? our president doesn't do a single things right.. we got illegals! picture this, i live in pa.. for anyone not from america, its like 3 hours from new york... small simple towns.. and we got these illegals, the hispanic population has risen from 3% to over 45% an half an hour away from my town. no body trusts anyone form anywhere in the world. things are not as simple as they once where..

 

 

Whats happening to mankind? :eek_big:

[ronthepon]

Right now, matrixscarface, you are looking at all of the world and proverbially 'loosing your cool'.

 

It so happens that the world does not come without it's troubles, and it is up to us to quit moaning and do something about it.

 

someone tell me, how we can fix this?

It is not a simple, one step procedure. Each little problem has to be looked into separately by whoever is affected by it, or can do something about it.

 

there doesn't seem to be a way out..

When you see all the troubles at once and get depressed suddenly.

 

terror, nuclear weapons, cancer, aids, from corruption to an african holocost.. arms dealers.. ak47.. cocaine..

Sure it hurts when you see it like that. But split it up.

 

Terror. (although I have no right to say so, and beg for apologies if I offend) You can consider it some one else's problem. Various governments are looking into the problem, trying to divert their energy into it. If you want to stop terrorism, then do not support it, and try to have everyone else hate it also.

 

Nuclear Weapons. Again there is very little you can do. If you hate them, do not support them. After all, what can be done by powerless poeple like us? If you do not support your country's activities, raise your voice in society. After all, it's a democracy now. If it does not work, accept your helpnessless. Do not feel sad about something you cannot help.

 

Cancer. And all such diseases happen, and all that can be done is try and build medical procedures and facilities which shall help. If you can do something , then do it. If you can, start some organisation which aims at helping patients. If that is not possible, then do not mourn about it. There is nothing you can do. You should only mourn when you do not do something good that could have been done.

 

Etc etc etc.

There can be limitless discussions on to how to solve the worldly problems, with wonderful results being taken... and the opinions remaining sedentary and hidden from the world.

 

 

Basic point is: do not mourn about something that you cannot help. But if you can do something, then do it if you have the guts.

 

So tell me, matrixscarface, what do you plan to do about the problems of the world?

 

I hope I have not offended anyone. These little principles are the only things that I have seen to be working in times of distress.

[TheFaithfulStone]

In times like these it helps to remember there have always been times like these.

 

Sage advice, from someone I don't normally listen to much. It is interesting though, how we always seem to be living in the end times - Global Warming, Nuclear Holocaust, the Malthusian Population Bomb, the Singularity, the Rapture, Ragnarok, take your pick!

 

Chances are good we'll dodge those bullets at the last second too. We seem to have had lots of practice pushing the world to the very very edge of total disaster. :eek_big:

 

TFS

[matrixscarface]

how have we let things to go this bad? to the point where we need massive groups to undo the things we have done..

 

Do you think we will even last the 100 years?

[matrixscarface]

the Malthusian Population Bomb TFS

 

He raised a very good theory, the malthusian population bomb. or for you wikipeders like myself, just the population bomb. it isn't a bomb like nuclear or c4, but rather an theory

 

"that population growth will outpace agricultural growth unless controlled. it assumes that the population is going to raise exponentially, on the other hand the resources, in particular food, are already at their limits."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb

 

 

i believe in this because alot of people in the world are already starving. but also because of oil. when it runs out.. we'll switch to ethanol/butanol that will have to be produced the same way as our food. means that what is now corn or anything else, even land. will be converted into fueling our countries. look at china.. there becoming so large, they themselves now can't make ends meet and there about to have an at least 25% increase in population? and isn't that in a communist society that only allows one child?

 

let me take you back to the grand 80's. after the oil crisis in the united states, the opec embargo, along with the soviet invasion of afghanistan, leads to the carter doctrine, making it official u.s. policy to employ "any means necessary" to protect the flow of oil. the persian gulf war was the first test of that.

 

Should china become so large as to grasp all the oil in the world. its official u.s policy to go to war for it. it would be legal by pretty much all means.

 

I forsee a war. because its not like the two countries can make a deal on it. i think there just might be the war.. i don't mean to seem like the homeless man holding a sign saying "the end is near" but it just doesn't look grim. i don't completely object to my government. i disagree with it. with this possible scenario over the hill. the governemt chooses to cut funds on renewable energy's and things such as this? :doh:

[Zythryn]

With this particular concern (oil) support politicians that advocate electric cars. This would take quite some time, but if every automobile in the US was electric, it would cut our need for foreign oil from 60% to about 10%.

 

This also avoids the ethonal issue, although switching from corn based to waste plants (such as switchgrass) would mitigate the food or fuel issue you mentioned.

 

To me, the biggest issue in politics is not gun control, not abortion, not civil rights or enviornment. The single biggest issue is corruption. Any party, any type of government can suffer from it.

[matrixscarface]

absolutely, i see it so wrong, that when somebody runs for president. the rich and powerful make campaign contributions as long as that when they are elected to office, they will sway their way with issues such as laws and things like that. perfect example, Robert Lee Vesco. he took over "international controls corporation" in new jersey, and grew it fast by hostile, debt-financed takeovers of other businesses. by 68' they had their own airline and several manufacturing plants. he then set up dummy corporations, one even had an amsterdam address that was linked to Prince Bernhard of the netherlands. he even broke into a swiss bank vault to obtain shares. he then went on a lam, fleeing to latin america and then hopping to countires that lacked extradition treaties with the united states. in 73' he fled to costa rica, while under large investigation, vesco routed illegal contributions to richard nixon through his nephew, donald nixon. so that he could be free of the investigation and free once again.. and yet.. we all remember a little thing called watergate.

[paigetheoracle]

Interesting thread.

 

It gives me a chance to point out one or two things.

 

People get the idea if you're anti-war, then you must be pro- Hammas/Hezbollah. This is nonsense.

 

Pacifists are outside the boxing ring looking in. They are like parents watching their children fighting. They are not interested in who started it or why, only that it stops. They are not interested in who has the moral high ground. They are not going to get drawn into taking sides. All they care about is stopping the fight.

 

As adults, they've been there - seen it/done it and want it to cease. Grown ups want peace, not to be troubled by what they know will all end in tears. It always starts out as a bit of fun and ends in tragedy.

 

Israel is more like an adult in this situation because it has an organized army that is well equiped (Adult dominance or peace within your society/social group, allows the build up of resources - conflict, depletes them even at the most basic level: Divide and conquer - unite and create). I have more sympathy with Israels stance in the Middle East than America's - Afghanistan fine but Iraq, no way.

 

The US shouldn't have gone in and Britain shouldn't have followed them but at least they acted more like a peace keeping force, than the former (It was more like a mugging, than an invasion supposedly to depose a dangerous dictator - all those mercernaries and business folks outnumbering the army, hardly a war).

 

Still, talking as an adult, these kids will have to learn by their mistakes as we did as children. We don't want them to hurt themselves but as children, they will. That's life, sadly.

[InfiniteNow]

It's important to remember that the "world out there" is generated by you. The peace in the world you so desire can only be found within yourself.

 

Yeah, there's a lot of ignorance and anxiety and fear and isolation felt by many members of the global population, but you are the only one you can change. Start there, and maybe others will learn by the example you set.

 

We all struggle sometimes, but it really is quite simple if we let it be.

 

 

Cheers. :cup:

[matrixscarface]

i completely agree.. its a shame that ourselves would fight and go to war and hate and all of that.. you take a child of all races, and put them in a sandbox, they would play together fine and get along.. but their parents would fight.

 

Sadly, speaking of israel. they are in a bad spot.. they are hated by all thats around them. but they have grown pretty powerful. i suspect they may even have nuclear weapons. all they want is to live on their holy land, but the arabs around them do not like that. it seems like there will always be war there.. and iran doesn't help.. they are on their way of making nuclear weapons.. and you know that if.. they would ever strike anyone.. it would be israel. like we've talked about before.. corrupt people will go that far as to do that. saddam having this? no.. he wasn't any threat.. i think it was a "rape of oil" business really did well because of that war.. vice president of the united states made a nice penny.. and bush himself owned an oil company. both bushes went in and did the same thing.. ironic...

 

this makes me think about the movie.. schindlers list.. how the jewish where being pushed around and killed. and how oscar schindler says something along the lines of.. "in every business i tried, i see nowit wasn't me that was failing, it was this thing, this missing thing. even if i'd known what it was, there was nothing i could have done about it, because you can't create this sort of thing. and it make all the difference in the would between success and failure." he wife says "luck?" and he reply's "war"

 

If only kennedy wasn't shot... :(