Fate of the universe

[myspip90]

What are your thoughts on the fate of the universe (scientifically speaking that is; plz do not mention that a giant ape ascends from the 7th dimension and engulfes the whole universe)?

Will a Big Crunch, Heat Death, Big Freeze or Big Rip occur?

Or do you think that something else will happen?

[hallenrm]

My thoughts in this respect is that the universe will change in structure over the next million years or so, but it may remain essentiallly as we understand it today. :)

[myspip90]

Hehe. I actually meant the ultimate fate... Not "just" in a couple of million years.... But I think you got that (you're just joking around...)

[InfiniteNow]

What are your thoughts on the fate of the universe (scientifically speaking that is)

Well, according to current models and leading researchers, it appears very much that there are multiple dimensions, and a consensus is growing which indicates that the 7th dimension will push through a giant ape which engulfs the totality of spacetime. :hihi:

 

 

It's tough to answer. Our current models of "what the universe" is are not complete, and speculating on possible outcomes based on an imperfect model will lead to imperfect speculations. It's been proposed that the universe sor of "breathes," and may fluxuate between big bang and big crunch. Maybe it will expand so much that it freezes. Maybe this maybe that maybe the universe is completely flat...

 

We know too little about what is right now, what the universe IS to know what the universe will become.

[WillieB]

Of course the present consensus is that we are headed toward "the Big Freeze" and that appears to be accurate. But never fear, somewhere out there (maybe millions of somewheres) there is a black hole gathering enough material so that it will become unstable and give us another big bang. Would that we could live through it and witness it from afar

[InfiniteNow]

somewhere out there (maybe millions of somewheres) there is a black hole gathering enough material so that it will become unstable and give us another big bang.

Can you give an example of just one?

[WillieB]

If I could give an example I would be sitting at the right hand of God. I speak from pure logic and the reasoning illustrated in The Incremental Universe.

[InfiniteNow]

I'll take that as a no.

[WillieB]

Expecting a specific answer to an admitted conjecture is non productive. You obviously did'nt take the advice to investigate the reasoning contained in "The Incremental Universe."

[InfiniteNow]

Expecting a specific answer to an admitted conjecture is non productive. You obviously did'nt take the advice to investigate the reasoning contained in "The Incremental Universe."

Section 20 has four sentences regarding black holes. Conjecture or not, that's hardly enough to support the claim you made above:

 

somewhere out there (maybe millions of somewheres) there is a black hole gathering enough material so that it will become unstable and give us another big bang.

 

Granted, in section 26, you mention the big bang and how it's possible that it resulted from an "unstable mass of increments," yet you still do not seem to be basing this on anything substantiated... as you state in section 29, you've made a lot of assumptions.

 

I want more than that. That's all. Otherwise, preface your comment with, "If the theory I have been working on has any merit, then it's possible somewhere out there there is a BH gathering..."

[Aireal]

As I do not believe in any version of the big bang, my personal belief is that the universe will continue to evolve, with no big crunch or cold wimper in sight.

[WillieB]

I definitely am not basing my position on anything that has been scientifically substantiated. The original question was "what do you think..." I responded with my thoughts.

 

I readily admit that when I referred you to The Incremental Universe I was simply trying to convince you read the paper. After all, it was my creation and the result of many hours of concentrated reasoning. You cannot form a decision as to its validity by reading just a snippet of its content. Its validity lies in its conformance in so many areas of our physical world not just in the few lines dealing with black holes.

[Harry Costas]

Hello All

 

If you think along the Big Bang as the origin of the universe good luck.

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Some one was asking about Big Black Holes

 

Nearest Big Black hole is M87 centre BH, its about 3 billion times that of our sun

 

wait for it

 

Massive Black Hole Stumps Researchers

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/heavy_blazar_040628.html

 

A team of astronomers have found a colossal black hole so ancient, they're not sure how it had enough time to grow to its current size, about 10 billion times the mass of the Sun.

 

The black hole, called a blazar because it spews jets of radiation in roughly the direction of Earth, sits at the center of a galaxy about 12.7 billion light-years away in the constellation Ursa Major. One light-year is the distance light travels in one year, is about six trillion miles (10 trillion kilometers).

 

 

Growing Supermassive Black Holes from Seeds

http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-black-holes-universe_9824.html

 

Deep X-ray surveys reveal black hole population, glimpse at the universe

http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-black-holes-xray_10954.html

 

The Swarm

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050128.html

 

Bevy of Black Holes Found in Galaxy

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/blackhole_clusters_020913.html