The 2012 Prophecies

[snoopy]

hi snoopy.

the only relation to maya and egyptions is the 13moon calender which is the cycle of the moon around the earth. And the fact that they were humans involved in great civilizations at the time.

If you read further you will note that this thread isn't about the end of the world.

Everyone has their own opinions.

 

 

I know the thread is about vital earth change or something as equally ridiculous.

 

I know everyone has their own opinions....

 

I cannot sleep

because of the secrets that I keep

they will not let me lie

till my reason has run dry.

 

I know....I know .........I know.......

 

I just think that every generation thinks it is living at a special time in human history the most important time.....

 

But the truth is we probably aren't and that is just not appealing to humans at all....

 

and you dont need some rusty mayan code to work that one out....

human nature is somewhat narcisistic

 

Peace

:)

[Rade]

According to a very handy resource, ”Solar System Live”,, on 2012-12-21 the solar system will look like the attached thumbnail. To my eye, it doesn’t look at all aligned.

Type in date 2012-12-21 at this site:

 

Solar System Live

 

Looks like Rudolph the red nose reindeer to me. So, look out for a earth wide snow storm 3 days before Christmas eve in December of 2012 :weather_snowing:and Rudolph will once again be called into action.

[William Honey]

Is it possible that the reason that the Myan calendars ended is because they were

leaving the area ? They did leave where they lived, so why continue to write

a calendar.

 

Just because they did not write a new calendar does not mean that anything will

happen to earth or humans.

[CraigD]

Is it possible that the reason that the Myan calendars ended ...

The Long Count calendar (what’s usually meant by a Mayan calendar ) doesn’t end in 2012 AD on our usual Gregorian calendar. One could argue that it “runs out of digits” in 4378 AD, in the same sense that the Gregorian ran out in 999 AD, but as we did, it’s not difficult to simply add a new most significant digit to extend the calendar by another factor if its number system base (10 for the Gregorian, 20 for the Long Count). What happens to the LD date every 144000 days (about every 394 years), happening next on 13.0.0.0.0 LC / 21 Dec 2012 AD, is analogous to what happened to the Gregorian on 1 Jan 2000 AD / 12.19.6.15.2 LC.

 

There’s more discussion of this in “The Long Count calendar” in another Strange Claim thread.

 

The Long Count calendar, while mathematically trivial and not very practically useful, are IMHO historically and culturally fascinating. Oddly, while actually simpler than the Gregorian, and well documented for over a century, many people familiar with the “2012 prophesy” subject seem not to have yet learned the simple fundamentals of the calendar underlying it. I think many strange ideas about it result from this avoidable lack of information.

[Michael Mooney]

If anyone reading or contributing to this thread is interested in and respectful of the Mayan culture, their excellence in observing the dance of "the sky" in relation to Earth and their resulting extremely accurate calendar...

Anyone who is willing to set aside wise cracking prejudice against the very concept of prophecy...

If anyone...

I highly recommend the book, Lord of the Dawn: Quetzalcoatl and the Tree of Life by Tony Shearer.

Here is Barns & Noble's brief synopsis:

This new edition of the 1971 classic by Tony Shearer is about Quetzalcoatl, the great Indian culture hero of ancient Mexico. Learn about his birth, life, and teachings; and especially his exciting prophecy of the thirteen heavens and the nine hells, after which the Tree of Life shall blossom with a fruit never known before. Background information about the Eagle Bowl and the sacred calendar, by which the people lived, gives the reader a clearer understanding of the story.

Michael

[Moontanman]

Oh yeah, Michael Mooney, no one is denigrating the culture of the Mayan people, ( but I doubt human sacrifice would be all that popular today) just our modern distortion of it!

[Michael Mooney]

Oh yeah, Michael Mooney, no one is denigrating the culture of the Mayan people, ( but I doubt human sacrifice would be all that popular today) just our modern distortion of it!

 

I see where you are coming from. Same place as the rest here in ignorant ridicule of this culture and its main villain, confused with its main hero and the prophecy coincidental to his periodic "returns."

 

Here is a superficial and brief treatment of your misconception from, of course Wikipedia... my edit, as(...) and comments in bold :

 

Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl

 

A central figure of the Popol Vuh (Mayan scripture)was the god Tohil whose name means "obsidian" and who was associated with sacrifice....

 

Tezcatlipoca was the "right hand man and executioner" for this petty, sadistic, and ignorant "god."

 

 

Quetzalcoatl, on the other hand was the reformer of these traditional cultural atrocities. He was well known for introducing the metaphorical "Tree of Life" into the culture and the widespread ritual of "cleansing." He is the one around which the prophecy of 2012 revolves.

 

If your "knowledge" of the Mayan culture and prophecy is limited to the *Aztec* ritual of human sacrifice (as dramatized by Hollywood movies,) your misinformation is 180 degrees off from what the original "Q" and the prophecies he fulfilled... and presumably will fulfill in 2012.,.. are about.

 

Here is more on the two figures from Wiki:

 

Tezcatlipoca was often described as a rival of another important god of the Aztecs, the culture hero, Quetzalcoatl. In one version of the Aztec creation account[7] the myth of the Five Suns, the first creation, "The Sun of the Earth" was ruled by Tezcatlipoca but destroyed by Quetzalcoatl when he struck down Tezcatlipoca who then transformed into a jaguar. Quetzalcoatl became the ruler of the subsequent creation "Sun of Water", and Tezcatlipoca destroyed the third creation "The Sun of Wind" by striking down Quetzalcoatl.

Tezcatlipoca depicted in the codex Rios in the aspect of a Jaguar - in this form he was called Tepeyollotl.

 

In later myths, the four gods who created the world, Tezcatlipoca, Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli and Xipe Totec were referred to respectively as the Black, the White, the Blue and the Red Tezcatlipoca. The four Tezcatlipocas were the sons of Ometecuhtli and Omecihuatl, lady and lord of the duality, and were the creators of all the other gods, as well as the world and all humanity.

 

The rivalry between Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca is also recounted in the legends of Tollan where Tezcatlipoca deceives Quetzalcoatl who was the ruler of the legendary city and forces him into exile. But it is interesting to note that Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca both collaborated in the creation of the different creations and that both of them were seen as instrumental in the creation of life. Karl Taube and Mary Miller, specialists in Mesoamerican religion, writes that "More than anything Tezcatlipoca appears to be the embodiment of change through conflict."[5] Tezcatlipoca appears on the first page of the Codex Borgia carrying the 20 day signs of the calendar; in the Codex Cospi he is shown as a spirit of darkness, as well as in the Codex Laud and the Dresden Codex. ...

 

If you have any interest in the 2012 prophecy and "Q" as the Mayan Avatar, (other than peanut gallery ridicule from ignorance, as above) check out the book. It is excellent... the basis of a whole chapter** in one of my books on prophecy, The Crystal Capstone... (published regionally many years ago... sorry, not available)... (**part of a trio of chapters on Hopi, Mayan, and Egyptian prophecy.

 

Michael

[freeztar]

So, what do you think will happen in 2012, Michael?

[Michael Mooney]

So, what do you think will happen in 2012, Michael?

What I think is that what "Q" prophesied will happen.

It is of course, as is usual with prophecies from many cultures (and I have studied a few), stated symbolically. So each person can interpret the meaning for himself. (Not scientific at all!)

 

He said, "The Tree of Life shall blossom with a fruit never known before."

This was a direct translation by Tony Shearer of one of the ancient Mayan Codexes. I spentmany hours in a library (before computers in my life) studying Mayan codexes but don't remember which one contains the quote. The Barns & Noble synopsis should have attributed the quote to Quetzalcoatl himself, as it is attributed directly to him.

I think the precise meaning is "... shall blossom with the promise of a fruit..." (A tree first blossoms, then the fruit develops.)

 

I see the "blossoming of the Tree of Life" as the promise... seen and felt by all who are capable of "Spiritual Vision" (seeing via the heart of universal love)... of the fruit of universal love... realization that we are all one family, and acting accordingly! ...

 

And I think, in harmony with the prophecy of the Great Pyramid ,

 

(Don't laugh too hard... it might come back and bite you in the ***!... very playfully, of course...)

 

That this fruit of the Tree of Life will be ripe by early 2014 and the Harvest of True and Universal Love and Good Will among all humanity will begin, and we will start to rectify the mess we have made of this world as egocentric, selfish, unenlightened ignoramuses! (I don't think that was overstated... )

 

That's the best I can do for now. And, again, no folks, it is not science... but if this "Awakening" (by 2014) is not unanimously agreed... it will be a "miss"... wrong... "Bullshit." It is, after all, either a universal awakening or it will have been wrong.

This is the best "prophecy" can do to meet the scientific standard of being falsifiable.

 

Michael

[REASON]

What I think is that what "Q" prophesied will happen.

It is of course, as is usual with prophecies from many cultures (and I have studied a few), stated symbolically. So each person can interpret the meaning for himself. (Not scientific at all!)

 

Well, I'd be willing to lay down a fair wager that my "peanut gallery" prophesies above have a better chance of coming true than "Q's."

 

And I would say it seems pretty clear to me that you understand that having failrly extensive knowledge of tribal or religious prophesy only increases it's credibility in the mind of the believer, but doesn't make it any more likely in the real world.

 

 

I see the "blossoming of the Tree of Life" as the promise... seen and felt by all who are capable of "Spiritual Vision" (seeing via the heart of universal love)... of the fruit of universal love... realization that we are all one family, and acting accordingly! .....

 

.....That this fruit of the Tree of Life will be ripe by early 2014 and the Harvest of True and Universal Love and Good Will among all humanity will begin, and we will start to rectify the mess we have made of this world as egocentric, selfish, unenlightened ignoramuses! (I don't think that was overstated...

 

While I think you have an underlying position with respect to these comments that remains open to interpretation, I can't say I disagree with them in general. That would be something I would wish for us as well.

 

 

That's the best I can do for now. And, again, no folks, it is not science... but if this "Awakening" (by 2014) is not unanimously agreed... it will be a "miss"... wrong... "Bullshit." It is, after all, either a universal awakening or it will have been wrong.

This is the best "prophecy" can do to meet the scientific standard of being falsifiable.

Credit to you for maintaining a reasonable perspective about it.

[Boerseun]

Hi, Michael.

 

You know my opinion of your 2014 "Universal Awakening" idea. I will spare you the indignity of ripping you a new one for that, because you know my take on it already.

 

However, I have to take you up on calling it "scientific" because it's a "prediction".

 

It's not.

 

Predictions in science isn't as much predictions as in "Next year a comet will slam into Earth because I saw it in a vision" as it is a deduction from known principles and facts. Saying "the sun will come up tomorrow morning because I saw it in a vision" is indeed falsifiable (heck - we just have to wait 24 hours and see!), but its not science. Saying "the earth revolves around its axis - proven fact - and it will take so many Joules of energy to stop the Earth's rotation based on mass and inertia - calculated - and there is nothing nowhere in sight that might induce this amount of energy into the planet to prevent this rotation any time in the next 24 hours, we can therefore safely predict that the sun will come up tomorrow morning with a 0.00001% error margin (where that 0.00001% error margin might represent the tiny piece of the sky we might have missed in looking for Earth-stopping impactors. That is science.

 

Saying that there will be a "universal awakening in 2014 because I saw it in a vision" is not science, even though it is clearly falsifiable. It's not a deduction of any known theories or principles, it has no basis in theory or fact, and is therefore not "science". Not nearly.

 

It's a prophesy.

 

If I say that in ten minutes my foot won't be sore, and base it on nothing else than just saying that, it is very well falsifiable, but not science. Its also a prophesy.

 

The distinction should be crystal clear.

[Michael Mooney]

Boerseun,

You are beating a dead horse/straw man.

 

However, I have to take you up on calling it "scientific"

"

Saying that there will be a "universal awakening in 2014 because I saw it in a vision" is not science[/QUOTE]

 

(See thread title)

I answered:

"It is of course... stated symbolically"... quoting the prophet "Q":

"The Tree of Life shall blossom with a fruit never known before."

 

"So each person can interpret the meaning for himself. (Not scientific at all!)"..

 

... "And, again, no folks, it is not science..."

 

..."but if this "Awakening" (by 2014) is not unanimously agreed... it will be a "miss"... wrong... "Bullshit." It is, after all, either a universal awakening or it will have been wrong."

 

"This is the best 'prophecy' can do to meet the scientific standard of being falsifiable."

The title question asks what the ( Mayan) prophecy for 2012 predicts. The above is my attempt to answer from the research I have done. Please get off my case.

Michael

[Turtle]

The title question asks what the ( Mayan) prophecy for 2012 predicts. The above is my attempt to answer from the research I have done. Please get off my case.

Michael

 

the op makes no mention whatsoever of the mayans. :evil: numerology is bunkum. :eek_big: those who can't count, don't count.

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[lemit]

Let's see. How many times have people very carefully calculated the end of the world or some kind of mass transformation of the world and its human occupants?

 

And how have those predictions gone so far?

 

I'm not a betting person, but I wish I were on this one.

 

--lemit

[C1ay]

The title question asks what the ( Mayan) prophecy for 2012 predicts.

 

No it doesn't. It's not even implied.

[Michael Mooney]

The date 2012 is famous as in very well known for being the the Mayan prophecy for a new era. You can nit pick that if you want, but...

Hey dinorocksu,

Are you still around? Were you referring to the Mayan prophecy? Duh!

 

BTW, hecklers, did you notice the ( ) around Mayan? It meant implied tho not explicit.

Anyway, I'm out on this one unless someone has a relevant question.

Michael

[Michael Mooney]

Let's see. How many times have people very carefully calculated the end of the world or some kind of mass transformation of the world and its human occupants?

 

And how have those predictions gone so far?

 

I'm not a betting person, but I wish I were on this one.

 

--lemit

 

Oh, just a quickie here. The Mayan prophecies for previous returns of the avatar, "Q" went really well. Study up if interested.

M