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"Surely anyone who has even the slightest

connexion with the Muses, that is to say with civilization

and learning, would rather be the mathematician Archimedes

than the tyrant Dionysius. If we weigh up the two men's

ways of life and behavior, we find that one of them fed

his brain on scientific research and discovery, with all

the satisfaction that comes with intense intellectual

exercise - which is the most wonderful spiritual

nourishment in the world - while the thoughts of the

other dwelt on murder and oppression, and fear was his

companion day and night. Compare Dionysius with

Democritus, Pythagoras, Anaxagoras. What thrones or

possessions on all the earth could you rank higher than

their philosophical achievements, and the satisfaction

they derived from them?"

 

Cicero, Tusculanarum Disputationum, Book V

  • 4 weeks later...
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I'm a science undergraduate, and completely one hundred percent athiest and materialist, but I've had what I'd call transcendant experiences while on LSD. It's really hard not to believe in something bigger when you're tripping. But the next day I always come back down to earth.

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"Surely anyone who has even the slightest

connexion with the Muses, that is to say with civilization

and learning, would rather be the mathematician Archimedes

than the tyrant Dionysius. If we weigh up the two men's

ways of life and behavior, we find that one of them fed

his brain on scientific research and discovery, with all

the satisfaction that comes with intense intellectual

exercise - which is the most wonderful spiritual

nourishment in the world - while the thoughts of the

other dwelt on murder and oppression, and fear was his

companion day and night. Compare Dionysius with

Democritus, Pythagoras, Anaxagoras. What thrones or

possessions on all the earth could you rank higher than

their philosophical achievements, and the satisfaction

they derived from them?"

 

Cicero, Tusculanarum Disputationum, Book V

LOL... A vague advertisement for concrete logic.

 

Learn to love the question, it will never die.

  • 2 weeks later...
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I can't say that I've ever had a transcendant experience, at least not that I am aware of, or perhaps I have and don't realise. I consider learning about planets, nature, space sort of as a spiritual pursuit as well as a learning interest though. The search for something new and intriguing, or imagination, but also an appreciation of natural phenomena beyond simply what you see. I think transcendant experiences can be an expression of that. I'm into buddhism, and I think that relates to what I mean as well.

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