The Universe Beginning, End And In-Between

[Qfwfq]

The incoming particles need to have infiitely many itsy little bits inside their bellies. There is no upper limit on how many outcoming products except the total energy.

 

Of course, for each of the outcoming particles of a given species that can itself be an incoming one in another collision, suppose you hypothetically did this between pairs of the products of the first collision, adding only kinetic energy and lots of it, and then so on and so forth... So, all the more each particle needs to have infinitely many of them in it's belly, just waiting for enough energy to come along and free them.

 

With a bit of imagination, one might think of all this as being just what Fock space and field theory describe. :eek:

[Dov Henis]

The recent Clay's Neutron Decay report jarred me. Why just a very small number of neutrons radiate upon decaying to protons, and maybe there are additional neutron decay modes with which we are not yet familiar...

 

This invoked the following reflections:

 

 

- Elementary: "nature's laws" are - like grammar's laws - summaries, not directives, of nature's processes and occurrences.

 

- The beginning of the universe may be its end and its end may be its beginning.

 

- The states of its beginning and its end are constant; the states of its in-between them are stochastic.

 

- Each new sochastic cosmic phase-constellation evolves stochastically.

 

- The earliest fragments of singularity evolved into galactic clumps; within each primordial fragment clump evolution has been proceeding stochastically, ergo with non-identical in-clump's laws and occurrences.

 

Reflecting,

 

Dov

 

 

PS 1: And we are still looking for a Final Theory ?

 

PS 2: - Similarly also in local - but cosmically isolated - regions within galactic clumps evolution may have been proceeding stochastically ergo maybe with non-identical regional laws and occurrences.

 

DH

[rockpython]

Everything in the cosmos is fractal, rehappens on many scales, and is continuously evolving

 

don't believe so. atoms are not "little solar systems" and particles are not like planets, stars etc.

 

how does a proton, for example, "evolve"?

[Dov Henis]

1- don't believe so. atoms are not "little solar systems" and particles are not like planets, stars etc.

2- how does a proton, for example, "evolve"?

 

1- "... fractal, rehappens on many scales, and is continuously evolving"; applied here to processes... not implying that my appearance is the sum of geometrical elements of my genome, god forbid...

 

2- how does a proton, for example, appear? Or did it exist at singularity?...

 

Dov

[Jay-qu]

Protons are made up of quarks, they can be created and destroyed just like atoms can.

[Harry Costas]

Hello All

 

Protons, neutrons and atoms are formed during the stars life.

 

Some stars have a hydrogen core, some have a neutron core, quark cores and some have the theoretical preon core. Even the so call black holes eject subatomic matter into space creating the atoms.

 

From these cores Neutrons, Protons and atoms upto Iron are formed and when a star goes super nova the heavier elements are formed.

 

This is part of the recycling process of the universe.

 

As for the start of the universe, there is no start in my opinion. Just a everding process of recycling.

[Dov Henis]

Hi, Harry.

 

Would appreciated few words re:

 

1- How do "protons, neutrons...formed during...stars life"?

Are they degradation products (of what from where) or starting products (formed from what from where)?

 

2- "...theoretical preon core".

 

3- "universe recycling process",

How it differs from "The beginning of the universe may be its end and its end may be its beginning"?

 

Dov

[Harry Costas]

Hello Dov

 

Rather than me explaining

 

Read some of the papers in the following link

 

Papers (PDF)

[Dov Henis]

Thanks, Harry.

 

However, this is much too many few words for me...

 

Dov

[Harry Costas]

Hello Dov

 

I'm interested in what you know. If you want to discuss anything just pull me up.

 

Or if you want more info just leyt me know.

 

Rather than picking the fruit grow the roots.

[Harry Costas]

Hello Dov

 

Would appreciated few words re:

 

1- How do "protons, neutrons...formed during...stars life"?

Are they degradation products (of what from where) or starting products (formed from what from where)?

 

We know that normal matter can be degenerated to quaks and possibly preon particals that make up quarks. We also know that there are stars out there made from compact cores such as neutrons and quarks. We aslo know that these stars can produce jets that eject subatomic particals. So the reverse occurs, preons to quarks and quarks to neutrons and protons which form the atoms.

 

 

2- "...theoretical preon core".

Make up quarks. It is said that a soccer ball made of preon particals has the same mass as our sun.

 

3- "universe recycling process",

How it differs from "The beginning of the universe may be its end and its end may be its beginning"?

 

THere is no start and no end to the universe. We do not have evidence to prove this.

 

Regardless the universe is a word that defines all. But! the parts withing the universe do have a start and an end in life and death during the process of recycling.

 

One needs to study the workings of stars to observe the reyclic process.

Similar with the so call black holes, and i do not mean the ones with wells. I mean the obejcts that have extreme density greater than the nucleus of an atom and the abilty to prevent ligh t from escaping.

[Dov Henis]

Harry,

 

- In particle physics, quarks are subatomic particles thought to be elemental and indivisible. They are one of the two kinds of spin-½ fermions (the other being the leptons). Objects made up of quarks are known as hadrons; well known examples are protons and neutrons.(Wikipedia)

 

- What began as a singularity and has been evolving since then cannot "recycle"...

 

Suggesting,

 

Dov

[Tormod]

Similar with the so call black holes, and i do not mean the ones with wells. I mean the obejcts that have extreme density greater than the nucleus of an atom and the abilty to prevent light from escaping.

 

The nucleus of atoms are mostly, uhm, nothing. The density is extremely low. It is basically only energy lumped together.

 

The ability to prevent light from escaping is due to the very thing you try to avoid, namely gravity wells. Around a black hole the well is so strong that light will only circle the object, and never leave it.

[Harry Costas]

Hello Tomod

 

With due respect

 

What are you trying to say

 

The nucleus of atoms are mostly, uhm, nothing. The density is extremely low. It is basically only energy lumped together.

 

The ability to prevent light from escaping is due to the very thing you try to avoid, namely gravity wells. Around a black hole the well is so strong that light will only circle the object, and never leave it.

 

What creates the gravity?

 

It is not a WELL . This is movie pictures.

 

You make statements without any support.

 

Density of a atomic nucleus is not low but relative to its size its high.

When you get neutrons compacting together 10 ^ 18 and quarks 10^22 or more and preon particals (Theoretical ) compacting to 10^35. Than we talk of density being extremely high. We are talking of matter acting as a single nucleus.

 

The ability of light to escape is controlled by the forces that hold this ultra dense plasma matter together.

 

Extreme heat billions C deg and mass greater than 5 suns.

 

Thats my opinion.

[rockpython]

The ability of light to escape is controlled by the forces that hold this ultra dense plasma matter together.

 

which forces are these?

[Harry Costas]

Hello Rock

 

Please read

 

Preon Trinity - A Schematic Model of Leptons, Quarks and Heavy Vector Bosons

Citebase - Preon Trinity - A Schematic Model of Leptons, Quarks and Heavy Vector Bosons

http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=application/pdf&identifier=oai:arXiv.org:hep-ph/0208135

 

Quarks

Quarks

 

 

Atomic structure

Atomic Structure Concepts

 

Exchange Forces

Exchange Forces

 

Fundamental Forces

Fundamental Forces

 

Electron-Positron Annihilation Provides Evidence of Three Colors for Quarks

 

Evidence for Quark Theory

 

Evidence Found for New Form of Ultra-Dense Matter

SPACE.com -- Evidence Found for New Form of Ultra-Dense Matter

Astronomers announced Wednesday the discovery of evidence for a new state of matter heavier than any previously known, equivalent in density to stuffing all of Earth into an auditorium

.

 

I hope this will answer your question,,,,,,,,Which forces are these?

 

I think the answer to compact star cores and ultra dense degenerated plasma matter which can prevent light from escaping is through the science of the forces within the atom or should I say between the subatomic particals.

 

Thats my opinion.

[Tormod]

Hello Tomod

 

With due respect

 

What are you trying to say

 

 

That you do not understand what black holes are!

 

What creates the gravity?

 

The mass of the objects that collapsed under their own gravity - ie, a star, and the matter that has fallen into the gravity well of the black hole after it formed.

 

It is not a WELL . This is movie pictures.

 

No, you are mistaken here. It is indeed a well. Just as it is extremely hard to get a rocket into orbit, because most of the work is done during the initial breakaway from the Earth's surface. As soon as the spacecraft leaves Earth orbit, it can float freely - for example towards Mars. When it gets close enough to Mars, it is captured into Mars' gravity. The concept of the well is well founded and is a practical way to understand how gravity works.

 

You make statements without any support.

 

No, I don't. I try to explain to you how these things work. For support I lean on the current standard theories which are easily looked up, and written about elsewhere on Hypography.

 

Density of a atomic nucleus is not low but relative to its size its high.

When you get neutrons compacting together 10 ^ 18 and quarks 10^22 or more and preon particals (Theoretical ) compacting to 10^35. Than we talk of density being extremely high. We are talking of matter acting as a single nucleus.

 

Well, yes, for the nucleus the density is high. But it does not exert measurable gravitational force. Thus a nucleus is not enough to create a black hole. When you get nuclei in the trillions of trillions of trillions, you might start to see some gravitational pull.

 

The ability of light to escape is controlled by the forces that hold this ultra dense plasma matter together.

 

No, it is due to gravity.

 

Extreme heat billions C deg and mass greater than 5 suns.

 

If black holes emitted heat we would easily spot them. The mass does not have to be greater than 5 suns (where do you get that from?). A black hole can probably be much smaller than that, depending on age and the origins.