Population Increase and the Responsabilities of War

[Tarantism]

we all hear and see the hopes for peace. but while peace on a personal level is a good thing (ie. do not piss everyone off/dont get pissed off quite so easily), i see national struggles and war as a way to keep the population lower. though many horrible, terrible, ghastly things happen during wartime struggles, without it we would probably have about three times the population that we have now (at least! :cup:). "national peace" is a farfetched concept anyway...humans will never and have never gotten along. lets look first at the primary causes of war: race, religion and land/money/power.

 

race is obvious, we as humans do not like and cannot accept things that are different from us, even if that only difference is disagreeing ancestors or different color of skin, different features, etc...thus we get racism and such. its all very bad, and should be discontinued, but unfortunitely we live in a dominator world and race is an easy and common way to place yourself on a pedistal over fellow humans.

 

religion is natually hateful (at least western religions, contantly descriminatory and many peoples of strong faith proclaiming themselves as "gods chosen people"). i personally see religion as a primary cause of war, if not THE primary cause of war throughout human history. if we can eliminate religion from this world, at least montheistic or polytheistic dominator religions, then i think we can eliminate not only many wars in this world but also much of the everyday hatred based on fake texts. i see religion also as a primary cause for western dominator values.

 

the final cause that i can see is land/money/power. i list there all together because they generally go hand in hand. these three objectives are probably the primary causes for MODERN warfare, and the latter two fund most of it as well, hoping either for more losses than gains (money), better parterships with investors (money/power) or other politcal motivations (ie. getting votes...power). people that fight warfare for these reasons i see as selfish. at least the religious warfare is based on faith, and is at least in the fighters minds rightious.

 

that said, i see all of these as illegitamate causes for warfare, all basically unjustified, from a third party or non-participant perception. what i do see here a certain responsability for humans to nationally disagree in order to keep population down and avoid a swelling in habitable areas and prevent complete obliteration of our natural resources before the year 2300.

 

so do you hypographers agree with this opinion?

[Mercedes Benzene]

Unfortunately cultural vendettas cannot be helped. :hihi:

Individually, we may agree that peace is important, but when humans get together in a group, their ideas seem to mesh into one giant war-engine.

 

religion is natually hateful (at least western religions, contantly descriminatory and many peoples of strong faith proclaiming themselves as "gods chosen people"). i personally see religion as a primary cause of war, if not THE primary cause of war throughout human history.

Yes, this is true. Religion is, and has been the primary reason for war. Unfortunately, eliminating religion is impossible. There wil ALWAYS be religion... it just happens that way. I think what should be focused on is eliminating religious Radicalism. I'm not just referring to Islamic radicalism, I'm talking about all denominations that present an agressive approach to religion.

 

the final cause that i can see is land/money/power. i list there all together because they generally go hand in hand. these three objectives are probably the primary causes for MODERN warfare, and the latter two fund most of it as well, hoping either for more losses than gains (money), better parterships with investors (money/power) or other politcal motivations (ie. getting votes...power).

Actually... I don't think that is so true now. In the past, power and land was everything. Now, humans tend to focus on other superiorities such space travel, technological capabilities, etc. Again, these cannot be eliminated.

 

that said, i see all of these as illegitamate causes for warfare, all basically unjustified,

Illigitamate? Perhaps. But we all just have to realize that things like this will never change. We will always be different, and there will always be war. It's unfortunate, but true. :(

[Tarantism]

Actually... I don't think that is so true now. In the past, power and land was everything. Now, humans tend to focus on other superiorities such space travel, technological capabilities, etc. Again, these cannot be eliminated.

 

while i would love to think that that was the case, i do not honestly thing that it is so. remember the "space race"? that was in the not-so distant past, and the race stopped being about who would make it to the moon as a man, but rather who would make it as an american or russian. also, it had huge political implications because of the cold war and such. i see most technological achievments (at least politically) as alternativley motivated, and very personal. i do not trust politicians, or burocrats, because they always have an agenda, and that is to stay in power as long as they can, and make things go the way they want them.

 

it is a subject of much debate, but one could argue that the war in the middle east is over political and resource power as well. im sure that requires no explaination.

 

the main conspiricy is that old sources of wealth and power try to keep new sources of wealth and power from taking control. that is the primany conspiricy...after that everything else just kinda makes sense. :hihi:

 

other than that, good points MB :(

 

EDIT: i think that it is also important to point out that while i got a bit carried away, i should note that the reason for my post was to outline the usefullness of war as a means to keep human population from getting too out of control until we enter the time of great space colonization.