The basis of Belief, truth, rationality and irrationality.

[IDMclean]

Hypography is principlely a forum on the nature of belief, particularly belief built up around a method, which we know as the Scientific Method.

 

Now often I have noticed a number of skirmishes about and between members regarding the nature of what one believes to be true and what is truth. It is often argued as to what is fact, opinion, observation, experience and falsehood. Often without discussion on the nature of these concepts and their relationships to one another.

 

I would ask then, what is your doctirine of truth? What is the difference between my opinion, and my experience? Where do you stand in the world of rationality and irrationality? In this reality is it law or chaos that reigns supreame, and what is the difference between the two, if there is even a difference?

 

I am interested to understand your understanding.

[Zythryn]

The elected officials do, even though you didn't wote for them.

The United States is not a true democracy, we are a Republic. As such, the elected officials are supposed to represent everyone in their district/state/nation.

[IDMclean]

Here are some key basis of belief analysis, arguement definitions, and logic fundamentals. Here's some homework if you wish to under take it. What is your formal style of arguement and philosophical logic basis? What makes up your basis of belief and the structure that checks for validity? Do you have one or multipul?

 

How do you define something as meaningful, do you define anything as meaningful? If not, why are you reading this, if it is not meaningful in some way to you?

 

How do you think, and do you understand why it is that you think that way?

 

Logic:

log‧ic  /ˈlɒdʒɪk/ [loj-ik] –noun

1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.

2. a particular method of reasoning or argumentation: We were unable to follow his logic.

3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.

4. reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move.

5. convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness: the irresistible logic of the facts.

6. Computers.

From Dictionary.com

 

Truth:

/truθ/ [trooth] –noun, plural truths /truðz, truθs/[troothz, trooths]

 

1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth.

2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.

3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.

4. the state or character of being true.

5. actuality or actual existence.

6. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.

7. honesty; integrity; truthfulness.

8. (often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience: the basic truths of life.

9. agreement with a standard or original.

10. accuracy, as of position or adjustment.

11. Archaic. fidelity or constancy.

—Idiom

12. in truth, in reality; in fact; actually: In truth, moral decay hastened the decline of the Roman Empire.

 

Philosophy:

phi‧los‧o‧phy  /fɪˈlɒsəfi/ [fi-los-uh-fee] –noun, plural -phies.

1. the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.

2. any of the three branches, namely natural philosophy, moral philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are accepted as composing this study.

3. a system of philosophical doctrine: the philosophy of Spinoza.

4. the critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, esp. with a view to improving or reconstituting them: the philosophy of science.

5. a system of principles for guidance in practical affairs.

6. a philosophical attitude, as one of composure and calm in the presence of troubles or annoyances.

 

Reality:

re‧al‧i‧ty  /riˈælɪti/[ree-al-i-tee] –noun, plural -ties for 3, 5–7.

1. the state or quality of being real.

2. resemblance to what is real.

3. a real thing or fact.

4. real things, facts, or events taken as a whole; state of affairs: the reality of the business world; vacationing to escape reality.

5. Philosophy.

a. something that exists independently of ideas concerning it.

b. something that exists independently of all other things and from which all other things derive.

6. something that is real.

7. something that constitutes a real or actual thing, as distinguished from something that is merely apparent.

—Idiom

8. in reality, in fact or truth; actually: brave in appearance, but in reality a coward.

 

Objectivity:

ob‧jec‧tiv‧i‧ty  /ˌɒbdʒɪkˈtɪvɪti, -dʒɛk-/ [ob-jik-tiv-i-tee, -jek-]

–noun

1. the state or quality of being objective: He tries to maintain objectivity in his judgment.

2. intentness on objects external to the mind.

3. external reality.

 

Subjectivity:

sub‧jec‧tiv‧i‧ty  /ˌsʌbdʒɛkˈtɪvɪti/ [suhb-jek-tiv-i-tee]

–noun, plural -ties for 2.

1. the state or quality of being subjective; subjectiveness.

2. a subjective thought or idea.

3. intentness on internal thoughts.

4. internal reality.

 

Concept:

con‧cept  /ˈkɒnsɛpt/ [kon-sept]

–noun

1. a general notion or idea; conception.

2. an idea of something formed by mentally combining all its characteristics or particulars; a construct.

3. a directly conceived or intuited object of thought.

–verb (used with object)

4. Informal. to develop a concept of; conceive: Experts pooled their talents to concept the new car.

 

Abstract:

ab‧stract  /adj. æbˈstrækt, ˈæbstrækt; n. ˈæbstrækt; v. æbˈstrækt for 10–13, ˈæbstrækt for 14/ [adj. ab-strakt, ab-strakt; n. ab-strakt; v. ab-strakt for 10–13, ab-strakt for 14]

–adjective

1. thought of apart from concrete realities, specific objects, or actual instances: an abstract idea.

2. expressing a quality or characteristic apart from any specific object or instance, as justice, poverty, and speed.

3. theoretical; not applied or practical: abstract science.

4. difficult to understand; abstruse: abstract speculations.

5. Fine Arts.

a. of or pertaining to the formal aspect of art, emphasizing lines, colors, generalized or geometrical forms, etc., esp. with reference to their relationship to one another.

b. (often initial capital letter) pertaining to the nonrepresentational art styles of the 20th century.

–noun

6. a summary of a text, scientific article, document, speech, etc.; epitome.

7. something that concentrates in itself the essential qualities of anything more extensive or more general, or of several things; essence.

8. an idea or term considered apart from some material basis or object.

9. an abstract work of art.

–verb (used with object)

10. to draw or take away; remove.

11. to divert or draw away the attention of.

12. to steal.

13. to consider as a general quality or characteristic apart from specific objects or instances: to abstract the notions of time, space, and matter.

14. to make an abstract of; summarize.

—Idioms

15. in the abstract, without reference to a specific object or instance; in theory: beauty in the abstract.

16. abstract away from, to omit from consideration.

 

Concrete:

con‧crete  /ˈkɒnkrit, ˈkɒŋ-, kɒnˈkrit, kɒŋ- for 1–15, 10, 13, 14; kɒnˈkrit, kɒŋ- for 11, 12/ [kon-kreet, kong-, kon-kreet, kong- for 1–15, 10, 13, 14; kon-kreet, kong- for 11, 12] adjective, noun, verb, -cret‧ed, -cret‧ing.

–adjective

1. constituting an actual thing or instance; real: a concrete proof of his sincerity.

2. pertaining to or concerned with realities or actual instances rather than abstractions; particular (opposed to general): concrete ideas.

3. representing or applied to an actual substance or thing, as opposed to an abstract quality: The words “cat,” “water,” and “teacher” are concrete, whereas the words “truth,” “excellence,” and “adulthood” are abstract.

4. made of concrete: a concrete pavement.

5. formed by coalescence of separate particles into a mass; united in a coagulated, condensed, or solid mass or state.

–noun

6. an artificial, stonelike material used for various structural purposes, made by mixing cement and various aggregates, as sand, pebbles, gravel, or shale, with water and allowing the mixture to harden. Compare reinforced concrete.

7. any of various other artificial building or paving materials, as those containing tar.

8. a concrete idea or term; a word or notion having an actual or existent thing or instance as its referent.

9. a mass formed by coalescence or concretion of particles of matter.

–verb (used with object)

10. to treat or lay with concrete: to concrete a sidewalk.

11. to form into a mass by coalescence of particles; render solid.

12. to make real, tangible, or particular.

–verb (used without object)

13. to coalesce into a mass; become solid; harden.

14. to use or apply concrete.

—Idiom

15. set or cast in concrete, to put (something) in final form; finalize so as to prevent change or reversal: The basic agreement sets in concrete certain policies.

[IDMclean]

I myself utilize deconstruction in my method, am as Objective in truth as I may be, and try hard as I might to maintain a strictly logical practice of debate.

 

This means for me, the truth is seperate from my perspective, and what is true in one frame is invariant across all frames. Same for reality, I do not accept a reality in which I am seperate from. I do not accept a system that does not interact with me on some level. If I can sense it, then it exists and is non-trivial. The concepts of god-outside-the-box, and in-accessable dimensions above reality, are trivial in my view. If it can effect me then by causality, I can effect it.

 

To some degree I am deterministic, in that I believe that my body chemistry, the enviromental effects and other events determine my state and mood. However I also acknowledge that I am part of this objective universe. That I am and I exist or to put it another way, I am that I am. I am indeterminisitic, in that I believe that my belief shapes my actions, that as part of this body and this universe I am distict but not apart from.

 

So I have both a dualistic, and non-dualistic view of the universe. I admit a subjective portion, which is often erroneous, but is non-trivial in the pursuit of objective understanding. Often my mistakes are those which are based on my biases and hence my perspective. I am a materialist, and Idealist. Conventionally these two concepts are concidered mutually exclusive, but often they are concidered so because of certain assumptions within them. The greatest factor of which happens to be perspective. Idealism often is from a perspective of the world as within, projected outward. That is the world exists in the mind and is subjective to each individual's perspective.

 

Materialism often is from a perspective a perspective of the world without, brought inward. That the world exists without the mind and is objective, and not subject to each individual's perspective.

 

I eliminate the assumption of the individual as making the world from ideal, or the individual existing in but seperate from the material world. I acknowledge that I am both part of and apart from the material-idealistic world. That though these two seem seperate they really are one in the same.

 

It is from this assumption of the holistic universe that I base my search for truth, and it is this same basis from which I debate the topics dear to my heart of which are integrally part of my journey.

 

Often times this puts me at odds with those who reject my notions regarding the nature of the universe, but that is ok. If I am right in my notions then time will tell. If I am wrong, oh well. I will simply be one of innumerable before me who fell pray to their own biases.

 

So how would you categorize your basis, and what do you think you could do to improve it? Could you improve it, if not why? Why do you have such a basis, what are it's merits and flaws?

 

I look forward to feedback.

[rising crescent]

This means for me, the truth is seperate from my perspective, and what is the true is invariant across frame/pov. Same for reality, I do not accept a reality in which I am seperate from. I do not accept a system that does not interact with me on some level. If I can sense it, then it exists and is non-trivial. The concepts of god-outside-the-box, and in-accessable dimensions above reality, are trivial in my view. If it can effect me then by causality, I can effect it.

how can you have split pesonality?

could you prove its falsification??

 

To some degree I am deterministic, in that I believe that my body chemistry, the enviromental effects and other events determine my state and mood. However I also acknowledge that I am part of this objective universe. That I am and I exist or to put it another way, I am that I am. I am indeterminisitic, in that I believe that my belief shapes my actions, that as part of this body and this universe I am distict but not apart from.

could you more specific?

you said that you have same constitusion with natur but distinc for some things?what??and why??

 

It is from this assumption of the holistic universe that I base my search for truth, and it is this same basis from which I debate the topics dear to my heart of which are integrally part of my journey.

wo.....

such good trait you have. Never lose it.

 

But you know, maybe you have wrong worlds and environment to finh the nswer.

The world you belong is world of death of spiritualism and religion.

How can you find the real truth answers in that death world.

maybe you shoud come to eastern world countries where religion are strong.

To find people who have ability in science and religion.

 

One more thing, do not reject early truth that they gave you...

think it deeply, I hope you find "good" sign from God for you...