HydrogenBond Posted October 3, 2006 Report Posted October 3, 2006 This is a controversial subject for traditional Christianity. Jesus is usually portrayed as celebate, but certain things in the bible indicate that he may have been married. The strongest argument has to do with him being called Rabbi. According to a Jewish friend, she said that a Jewish male needs to be at least 30 years of age to become a Rabbi. He also needs to be married. With Christ being a Jew and being called Rabbi it would follow that he had to also be married to be an acceptable Rabbi. Mary Magnaline is often speculated to be his wife. This speculation, is based in part, on the account that she annoited Jesus for burial, which was the duty of the wife. Quote
HydrogenBond Posted October 5, 2006 Author Report Posted October 5, 2006 Puting aside whether Jesus had been married or not, it is interesting to speculate about the implications of Christianity changing to accommodate Jesus having been married. For one thing, it would alter the role of females from loving mothers (mother Mary) to wife. The mother supports and influences her son in celebate ways, but the wife influences her husband with noncelebate ways. Part of the reason Jesus being married is still downplayed is connected to Adam and Eve. Eve had a strong influence on Adam (power of sex and ego-centric nagging) which caused him to compromise what he knew was right. "yes dear, you are always right dear". Many married men feel the need to compromise in favor of a peaceful household that keeps the bedroom open for business. The result can be an irrational woman leading the spiritual relationship. The question may be, have women evolved beyond the psychology of Eve enough not to regress Christianity back to pre-Christian times? The Church fathers seem to think, no. I am not saying many women haven't evolved. But have the majority of women evolved beyond Eve? For example, the breakup of the family and high rate of divorce are forbidden fruits stemming from femininism. Quote
ughaibu Posted October 5, 2006 Report Posted October 5, 2006 Christianity is as sexless a religion as one could ask for, the perfect wife remains a virgin, I cant imagine them going for Jesus being married. Quote
Garry Denke Posted October 5, 2006 Report Posted October 5, 2006 Three times. Twice to the same Person. Lucifer, the Devil, and Satan Quote
Turtle Posted October 6, 2006 Report Posted October 6, 2006 Jesus wasn't married because he was a gay magician. It's in the ancient texts. Gay magicinas show up regularly, like Sigmond & Roy or Pen & Teller.:shrug: Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,890,000 for Jesus was gay. (0.25 seconds ) http://skeptically.org/newtestament/id5.html Quote
Chacmool Posted October 6, 2006 Report Posted October 6, 2006 The question may be, have women evolved beyond the psychology of Eve enough not to regress Christianity back to pre-Christian times? The Church fathers seem to think, no. I am not saying many women haven't evolved. But have the majority of women evolved beyond Eve? For example, the breakup of the family and high rate of divorce are forbidden fruits stemming from femininism.I beg your pardon? Edella 1 Quote
HydrogenBond Posted October 14, 2006 Author Report Posted October 14, 2006 If you look at the bachelor Christ or a Married Christ, the female role in Christianity becomes either mother or wife and is attribued to the church. The church is currently the Mother. A Mother can build up her son to become sensitive and strong/positive in the world, or she can turn him into a Mama's boy. Even in the worse case scenario the mother will still love her son. The Church sort of turns its priests into mama's boy but the church loves and takes care of them. If Christ was married the role of the church would become the wife instead of the mother. A good wife can be a blessing to her husband allowing him to go beyond himself, even further than a good mother due to the role of sexuality. A bad wife can repress or amplify his desire and thereby affect him in compulsive ways. She doesn't even have to love her husband but can marry for money, prestige or convenience. After the damage is done she can hate him, cheat on him, take all he has, etc. If you look at the dark days of the Church, the church had become more of a bad wife than a bad mother, with the clerry becoming drunk with power, lust, cruelty and abusive. There was little love, with good men and women treated with cruelty. I tend to think it was tried once and the time was not yet right. Is the modern wife a good example for the church? The modern mother loves her children but does spoil them and looks the other way when the children are bad (priest pediphiles). Quote
HydrogenBond Posted October 16, 2006 Author Report Posted October 16, 2006 If one looks at Christianity beyond the Catholic Church, the clergy are allowed to marry and the wife plays an important symbolic role. At one extreme, the TV evanglists have amassed fortunes and live in the material world like businessmen and marketeers. There is a desire to expand their influence but less tolerance is given to others who believe Christianity in a different way. It sort of reduces a church to a social clique with the country club members lording over the flock. This may not be the best symbolic wife for the church, but maybe it is part of the learning curve until something more optimum comes into being. Something more ideal would have the symbolic wife or church the doing social work, caring for the needs of the unfortuneate. She is also a good wife and mother, that supports and inspires her husband, while cutting slack so her children can find who they are. The husband, works hard for his wife and children and uses his drive to make a better world for all. The wife doesn't play just a support role, but also uses her talents to improve the condition of the world around her. Quote
Edella Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 Eve had a strong influence on Adam (power of sex and ego-centric nagging) which caused him to compromise what he knew was right..The modern mother loves her children but does spoil them and looks the other way when the children are bad (priest pediphiles).the breakup of the family and high rate of divorce are forbidden fruits stemming from femininism.Many married men feel the need to compromise in favor of a peaceful household that keeps the bedroom open for business. You seem to blame women for a lot of the problems in the world.You also portray men as being utterly powerless to do anything about it. Quote
Freddy Posted October 17, 2006 Report Posted October 17, 2006 If one looks at Christianity beyond the Catholic Church, the clergy are allowed to marry and the wife plays an important symbolic role. At one extreme, the TV evanglists have amassed fortunes and live in the material world like businessmen and marketeers. There is a desire to expand their influence but less tolerance is given to others who believe Christianity in a different way. It sort of reduces a church to a social clique with the country club members lording over the flock. This may not be the best symbolic wife for the church, but maybe it is part of the learning curve until something more optimum comes into being. Something more ideal would have the symbolic wife or church the doing social work, caring for the needs of the unfortuneate. She is also a good wife and mother, that supports and inspires her husband, while cutting slack so her children can find who they are. The husband, works hard for his wife and children and uses his drive to make a better world for all. The wife doesn't play just a support role, but also uses her talents to improve the condition of the world around her. It was not always celibacy for Catholic clergy. From CELIBACY IS THE ISSUE "In 1139, the Second Lateran Council forbade the marriage of priests altogether and declared all existing marriages involving priests null and void." This is one rule the Church should have left alone. "If it ain't broke..." Quote
TheFaithfulStone Posted October 19, 2006 Report Posted October 19, 2006 The question may be, have women evolved beyond the psychology of Eve enough not to regress Christianity back to pre-Christian times? The Church fathers seem to think, no. I am not saying many women haven't evolved. But have the majority of women evolved beyond Eve? For example, the breakup of the family and high rate of divorce are forbidden fruits stemming from femininism. What is this. What are you doing. What, so Christianity has evolved because it's kept women in their place?(that is pregnant and barefoot?) TFS Edella 1 Quote
asimon2006 Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 Turtle are you stupid, If Christ was gay then the House of David would have been gay. Do you not believe in Christ the one who saved your *** from sin. Ignorance is what you are. Unless you stop using it, then will you see the light. Quote
Turtle Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 Turtle are you stupid, If Christ was gay then the House of David would have been gay. Do you not believe in Christ the one who saved your *** from sin. Ignorance is what you are. Unless you stop using it, then will you see the light. Certainly my intelligence is a hot topic for debate. As I said, I believe Jesus was nothing more than a talented magician living off people's gullibility. Let those who have noses, smell. :D Boerseun 1 Quote
Southtown Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 Turtle are you stupid, If Christ was gay then the House of David would have been gay. Do you not believe in Christ the one who saved your *** from sin. Ignorance is what you are. Unless you stop using it, then will you see the light.Matthew 5:5,7,9 brother. This is a controversial subject for traditional Christianity. Jesus is usually portrayed as celebate, but certain things in the bible indicate that he may have been married.I posted about this subject in another thread: The irony is that, even if the DVC [Da Vinci Code] was completely accurate, it wouldn't have the impact that Dan claims, because the Torah doesn't say anything about rabbis and marriage. That comes from the Talmud which Jewish elders invented to interpret the Torah for the people. (Think infallible papacy.) So Jesus would not have transgressed God's law, but man's.(Matthew 15:1-9; see also Karaite Judaism) The Tanakh does not claim that the lineage is annointed, but an individual from that lineage.The individual must also fulfill not only Jewish law (who is currently temple-less) but also be crucified.And last but not least, Jesus' authority is not provided by Jewish law (the Levitical priesthood), but from the order of Melchizedek.(Genesis 14:18-20; Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 7) Quote
Chacmool Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 Turtle are you stupid, If Christ was gay then the House of David would have been gay. Do you not believe in Christ the one who saved your *** from sin. Ignorance is what you are. Unless you stop using it, then will you see the light.I beg your pardon? :naughty: Do you think Christ would approve of such language? Please address the members here with the necessary respect. Quote
Boerseun Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 Christ is gay. And he wears fur, whilst clubbing baby seals to death with an elephant tusk club. He also drives an overpowered, oversized gas-guzzling SUV. But he will not tolerate that kind of language...:naughty: Quote
asimon2006 Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 You guys are so stupid it's not even funny. If Jesus wasn't married to Mary Magdalene, why does it says in the Gospel of Philip that Jesus and Mary were married and that his mom wasn't conceived by the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirit was a woman. IN terms, Philip says if we think that Mary was conceived by a woman, we are in error(Meaning we are wrong.) Chacmool he is ignorant, Jesus loved us, if he didn't he wouldn't have died on the cross for us. Turtle if you are so great how about you do a little bit of magic of your own. Jesus was magician, (LOL, stupid stupid) If St. George would heard this blasphemy from you, I bet he would pound your face into the ground and I bet he would make you understand who your maker was. Quote
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