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Their has to be a way to get free music for so I can play it on my mp3 player. Problem: Windows, Winamp, Kazaa, Limewire or anything doesn't seem right. Please give me something, I'm begging you for the sake all those great songs I love to listen to

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Their has to be a way to get free music for so I can play it on my mp3 player.

Why? Do you think the artists that produce the music want you to have it for free? Do you have any talents that you would like to donate to society for free?

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Everything costs something these days. Or atleast, that's what they want you to think.

 

The truth is that a human should not be depraved of art under the condition of not having enough green pieces of paper to exchange for a copy.

 

The truth is:

 

Free music is truth.

 

But not so much anymore. Musicians are forced into needing green pieces of paper as much as we are. So, my rule of thumb is this:

 

If you have the money to spare, then by all means, buy your music. But if you can't afford it. It should be free.

 

*cough* torrents! *cough cough*

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If you have the money to spare, then by all means, buy your music. But if you can't afford it. It should be free.

So it doesn't matter what the artist wants or what the law says? It should simply be OK for those that can't afford what they want to take what they want? Frankly I'd be ashamed to say such a thing in public. I'm glad I don't share your point of view.

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If you have the money to spare, then by all means, buy your music. But if you can't afford it. It should be free.

This statement show a healthy amount of youthful idealism crusted with economic ignorance. For economic uplift there must be an exchange of value at all levels. The artist creates something. That is how he invests him person time and fortune. Those who appreciate the investment pay the artist so they can enjoy it. That is how the artist recoups his investment. Money is nothing more than a standard medium of exchange so that we have a basis for abstract exchanges of value. If I was a chicken farmer, I might want to pay for my new swimming pool with a truck load of chickens. But the man who built the pool for me has no use for a truck load of chickens. So I need to pay the pool builder with something that will be useful to him. And that is where money comes in. Money is no more the enemy of society than blood is the enemy of the body. And denying blood to a part of the body kills it, to the detriment of all.

 

Bill

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So it doesn't matter what the artist wants or what the law says? It should simply be OK for those that can't afford what they want to take what they want? Frankly I'd be ashamed to say such a thing in public. I'm glad I don't share your point of view.

 

 

wow. that was rude.

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This statement show a healthy amount of youthful idealism crusted with economic ignorance. For economic uplift there must be an exchange of value at all levels. The artist creates something. That is how he invests him person time and fortune. Those who appreciate the investment pay the artist so they can enjoy it. That is how the artist recoups his investment. Money is nothing more than a standard medium of exchange so that we have a basis for abstract exchanges of value. If I was a chicken farmer, I might want to pay for my new swimming pool with a truck load of chickens. But the man who built the pool for me has no use for a truck load of chickens. So I need to pay the pool builder with something that will be useful to him. And that is where money comes in. Money is no more the enemy of society than blood is the enemy of the body. And denying blood to a part of the body kills it, to the detriment of all.

 

Bill

 

 

I'm a poor teenager that came from a semi-poor family. At the moment, I barely have enough money to eat.

 

If I actually bought all my music, I think I'd probably have a total of about 10 good CD's. definately not enough to satisfy my musical mind. And I wouldn't be nearly as good of a musician as I am today.

 

 

 

I understand that money is a universal solution to trade.

 

But putting a price on art is something that I've never agreed with. Art is such a beautiful thing. And it's so good for your soul. It should be shared. Not sold.

 

 

I really would appreciate it if people would stop making me feel like i don't deserve any of my music because I'm a poor scumbag.

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I'm a poor teenager that came from a semi-poor family. At the moment, I barely have enough money to eat.

 

If I actually bought all my music, I think I'd probably have a total of about 10 good CD's. definately not enough to satisfy my musical mind. And I wouldn't be nearly as good of a musician as I am today.

 

 

 

I understand that money is a universal solution to trade.

 

But putting a price on art is something that I've never agreed with. Art is such a beautiful thing. And it's so good for your soul. It should be shared. Not sold.

 

 

I really would appreciate it if people would stop making me feel like i don't deserve any of my music because I'm a poor scumbag. No one is directly saying it, but that seems to be the mindset.

I should probably just drop it, but I am too stubborn.

 

Think of the art in terms of energy. There is no free energy. And there is no free art. Some artists choose to give away their work. This is their choice, not yours. The consumer can decide what he is willing to pay for something. The provider can decide at what price he will depart with something. If you want things for free, then find things that are available for free, because somebody else has generaously footed the bill for you. But taking from someone at a lower price than they have agreed to is theft. Plain and simple. And no amount of idealistic doublespeak changes that fact.

 

I am baffled by the way so many people today feel they are entitled to the work of others simply because they exist, or how they exist.

 

Bill

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Good comparison BD.

I would also like to reiterate the fact that being an artist is a profession. It's just like anyone else making an honest living. These people are using their skills as a service to provide other people with entertainment. It is their RIGHT to charge for their music and any other royalties associated with it. Getting free music is like going up to a McDonalds and demanding a free hamburger because you're hungry.

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I should probably just drop it, but I am too stubborn.

 

Think of the art in terms of energy. There is no free energy. And there is no free art. Some artists choose to give away their work. This is their choice, not yours. The consumer can decide what he is willing to pay for something. The provider can decide at what price he will depart with something. If you want things for free, then find things that are available for free, because somebody else has generaously footed the bill for you. But taking from someone at a lower price than they have agreed to is theft. Plain and simple. And no amount of idealistic doublespeak changes that fact.

 

I am baffled by the way so many people today feel they are entitled to the work of others simply because they exist, or how they exist.

 

Bill

 

When is anything not energy? And on what grounds do you mean that there is no such thing as free energy? Energy never dies. It just changes. It's just always there. of course you know this. But I just don't understand your example.

 

and there is no free art? well, obviously I don't agree with that. I could just as easily say that there is no expense for art.

 

People forget that art is all perception. You're forgetting that art is perception.

(do you see how I'm contradicting myself?)

 

Art is whatever you want it to be. And it is whatever you don't want it to be.

 

That's what makes it art. And that's what doesn't make it art.

 

 

Well, if you didn't smell the hints I dropped:

 

Basically the point is, I don't tell you that you shouldn't buy your art. All the same, you shouldn't tell me that I should buy my art.

 

 

 

 

 

Not to ignore the rest of your post, I agree that musicians make choices. Some musicians make choices to sign with a big label so that their music can be heard and widely distributed. They sign contracts that say they are not allowed to give away their music for free.

 

I know plenty of artists signed to big labels that have publicly stated that music downloading is fine with them, but not with their label.

 

I tend to not deal with artists that think otherwise. Most of the odd music that I listen to is probably made by artists that don't mind music download.

 

And anyone who knows the music industry, knows that bands hardly see any of the money from record sales. When you buy a musician's art from a big record label, only a very small fraction of a penny is going to make it to the actual artists who wrote the music.

 

You know how musicians make money? Touring.

 

An artists wealth depends almost entirely on tours.

 

 

I'm a musician. Being a musician, I network with many musicians.

 

It's very rare to find a musician that actually cares about music downloads.

 

This much I know.

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wow. that was rude.

Thank you. I try to be that way when someone advocates taking something they are not entitled to take. It is OK to receive things that are freely given but it is not OK to advocate that all music should be free to everyone that can't afford it just because they can't afford it. Copyright law was written to allow creators to control their own works and no one should just take that right away from them.

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Thank you. I try to be that way when someone advocates taking something they are not entitled to take. It is OK to receive things that are freely given but it is not OK to advocate that all music should be free to everyone that can't afford it just because they can't afford it. Copyright law was written to allow creators to control their own works and no one should just take that right away from them.

 

Copyright law was created so that record label owners can have 5 mansions instead of 2.

 

Do you seriously think a musician is going to benafit THAT MUCH from record sales?

 

As I said before, musicians make their money by touring.

 

Go and watch your favorite artists perform live if you want to support them.

 

Otherwise, you're mostly supporting the people that musicians submit to for the sake of having their message heard.

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