IDMclean Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Alright, I am interested in establishing a minimum of three persistent online presences. I need to set up a Web-Page, a Forum, and a Instant Chat Channel (like IRC or something). The expressed purpose of these three things is to promote the discussion, analysis, documentation, development and promotion of a game. I have minimal experience myself with web based things. I am a user, probably not even a power user when it comes to such things. Other things which I think I might be interested in are CVS, FTP, and Wikis. I lack materials on the subject, and don't even know where to begin beyond asking experts. So what do you people suggest? Quote
alexander Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 drupal, drupal and there are tonns of irc-based web clients for chats, and also phpfree chat ;) Quote
alexander Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 actualy first get a myspace page and practice css on it, not to the extent of http://www.myspace.com/xdrive but somewhere there... (ps you need Firefox to view that page correctly) Quote
Jay-qu Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 actualy first get a myspace page and practice css on it, not to the extent of http://www.myspace.com/xdrive but somewhere there... (ps you need Firefox to view that page correctly)haha its a pissa seeing IE render that page ;) wiki's are fairly easy to set up, just go and sign up, i think youll be able to work it out ;) Web pages are fairly easy to get, buy a domain and get it hosted, then if you have Dreamweaver or another program of the sort you just start uploading ;) Then you can build from there.. Quote
hallenrm Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Why not try a site for e-tutoring. Many more youngsters are looking out for a tutor, and many tutors would like to showcase their skills. Just thinking!! Quote
Jay-qu Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 I have thought about this, it would be cool, but competition is tough! But the purpose of the site is not whats been discussed here, I think KAC knows what he wants the site to be about ;) Quote
alexander Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 DocuWiki, its easy to set up and amazing to use... Quote
alexander Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 oh and NO DREAMWEAVER, if you want everything set up, take a few hours and learn html, its easy, take a few hours and learn CSS, the rest (like JS and PHP) you should be able to figure out for your own use and tweaking, they are fairly easy, plus you mainly hack them anyways. Dreamweaver/Frontpage produce bad code, plus you have 100% control when it comes to coding a webpage yourself... here is one of my projects (rather one that i'm involved with) based on drupal and php free chat: http://www.aspectradio.com Quote
alexander Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 oh, writing drupal themes is extremely easy, and there are tonns of tutorials, as well as themes... the one on aspectradio is my friends custom theme, and it changes 3 times a day Quote
IDMclean Posted October 27, 2006 Author Report Posted October 27, 2006 Here's a sample of what I conceptually want the site to look like, without the frills and such. The basic idea. I have to profess a lacking in html, php, css, and about any other kind of Web development capability. I can't build webpages for the life of me. Furthermore, I don't know what to do about hosting. Most free hosts that I surveayed last time I went looking did not support anything but maybe CSS. I have to confess not having the time to learn everything, and work on everything that I am currently doing and work on a web page at the same time. I just simply don't know enough to do it professionally, or even in a hobby capacity. I'm interested in having a web presence, but I am approaching this as some one who isn't interested in developing it from scratch, by one's own two hands. They're busy with other concearns. If it can be reduced to simple point and click type commands, where most of the work is pressing the next button, then I am more than willing. However hand coding yet another static Html site? Sorry none of those have ever turned out even half workable for me. Above all else, is the fact that I am Po'. I can't even afford the other "o" or "r". Poor people are richer then I am. So If it's free, then it's better. I might be able to fork over enough to pay for domain name or similar. That's like 35$ a year right? Well, off to bed for me. Quote
Jay-qu Posted October 27, 2006 Report Posted October 27, 2006 you can grab domains for around $10 a year, hosting will cost you a little more depending on the type of plan you want.. Quote
alexander Posted October 27, 2006 Report Posted October 27, 2006 ok KAC, i will try to come up with a quick manual for you :D Quote
alexander Posted November 14, 2006 Report Posted November 14, 2006 ok, i confess that i have completely forgotten about this topic, and happened to think about it and go "duh, i forgot what i promissed" so here is a quick howto, that is cheap, relatively easy, decently quick, oh and did i mention open-source? Ok, so first thing you need is a domain... godaddy has many offers, its like 9 bucks a year or something for a domain, go with it, you can't really loose... Now hosting, there are many options here as well, i wont go with a free host, because they usually tend to stink, and you want support too, so here are 146 recommendations from Zend (makes the PHP engine): http://www.zend.com/hosting_sites/phphosting.php?CID=484 so now for the fun stuff :(You will need a content management system... PHP Nuke just came out with a new version, its 12 or 13 bucks, you get support, many people run it, its easy to manage, setup and configure to your liking, so http://www.phpnuke.org it :)The beauty is that PHP Nuke is a CMS, but also comes with PHPBB, free forum software, that allows you to setup forums and stuff, kinda what you want anyways :)Wiki: DocuWIKI is an amazingly powerful and versatile wiki soft that, basicaly all i wanted to say about it, it is very good and i highly recommend it to anyone who wants to setup a wiki page, its easy to use, easy to setup and is secure and does what you want it to, oh and looks pretty too, as in professional prettyhttp://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:dokuwiki#download Now all you need is to change the layout of the NUke, which you can do through their options, also you need to make a link to your wiki on the front page, that may need to be added in html code for the menu sniplet (its easy to figure out) and you should be good :) sry for quickness. late to math class, if you want more details or more options leave a message, i'll check it out either later today or tomorrow... Turtle 1 Quote
IDMclean Posted November 15, 2006 Author Report Posted November 15, 2006 I am trying to figure out what is cheaper. Hosting my own Server (Static IP, Domain, Electricity 24/7, anything else?). or Leasing Server Space. Both according to Annual Cost. In Either Case. I know next to zip about how, what or why in this area. Quote
alexander Posted November 15, 2006 Report Posted November 15, 2006 no good with hosting it, unless you have like 10 users, you want to have a server on a real backbone, preferably fiber one at that too, unless you have really, really good cable providers, ded box at your house is not the best of solutions, although you can run your own MySQL server, as you dont need that great a connection for that, and at the same time you are not restricted to the space you can use :hihi: But no, dont try running your own box, its hard to manage a server, keeping it secure up 24/7 with a quick response and all that at the same time... Domain registration is what it is to begin with, you have to do it, its not a cost you can omit if you want an online presense, an easy to remember domain is crucial... if you really wanted to, you can get domains from dyndns for free, but you will have kicks-*** or dyndns or something like that after your domain name... Spealking of the devil, right now i'm typing this as my internet at home all of a sudden dissapeared, so if i had a web server, i would be screwed right now as nobody would have access to it... No internet really sucks right now too. Darn AT&T support person trying to blame it on me too: "We have no peoblems in your area right now. The problem is likely on your side." Well i can access my router, and i can get to my modem. There are more free solutions available though how about this for hosting:http://www.9999mb.com/infact there are great many free hosting solutions available here: http://www.0php.com/free_PHP_hosting.php CMS, if you cant caugh up 12 bucks for a version of PHPNuke (and that is like 5 starbucks small lattes) there are ofcourse free CMS systems available, the thing is they are not quite as easy to manage, nor is there quite as much support or modules available... Quote
Tormod Posted November 15, 2006 Report Posted November 15, 2006 KAC, your best option is to find some cheap hosting at first that supports PHP and MySQL so that you can get started. Hypography has a leased server from Viviotech - http://www.viviotech.net/ - and they have very decently priced plans for shared hosting. I use Godaddy for domain names - http://www.godaddy.com - they are quite cheap (about $8/year). Quote
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