What is soul-can any one explain theoritically

[kvraghavaiah]

Hai all,

Yet the driving force of all living beings is not explained well by scientists.If any one of you know why humans behave in the manner we see (or) what is the algorithm being implemented by human(all creatures) ;please reply.yeh! do not forget to write about soul theoritically.

[hallenrm]

Hai all,

Yet the driving force of all living beings is not explained well by scientists.If any one of you know why humans behave in the manner we see (or) what is the algorithm being implemented by human(all creatures) ;please reply.yeh! do not forget to write about soul theoritically.

 

Hello KVR, welcome to Hypography,

 

There are several forces that are responsible for driving a living being. the primary amongst them according to the current mainstream science is energy and information coded in the DNA of the cells that constitute a living being.

 

I therefore fail to understand you when you say "Yet the driving force of all living beings is not explained well by scientists"

 

Yet there are indeed several aspects of a living being that often preplex scientists. We at this forum have been discussing several of these aspects. I myself have initiated several threads regarding these issues.

 

For example,

1. http://hypography.com/forums/biology/5534-what-human-body.html
   
2. http://hypography.com/forums/biology/6056-do-biological-organisms-have-extra-chromosomal.html
   
3. http://hypography.com/forums/lounge/5679-chain-inside-human-mind.html
   
4. http://hypography.com/forums/articles/7595-what-constitutes-life.html
   
5. http://hypography.com/forums/community-polls/7645-what-essential-traits-human-being.html
   

http://hypography.com/forums/biology/5534-what-human-body.html

[*]http://hypography.com/forums/theology-forum/6785-spirit.html

 

You could go through them, and several other forums, I am sure you will get an answer to your question.

 

About Soul

 

I have been pondering about this word for past several months, and I think that the soul is analoguous to the knowledge and information embedded in a living being. So when Lord Krishna said in Bhagvad Gita that the soul is eternal, it cannot be destroyed or created, he perhaps meant the same, only he was not use the words information and knowledge, because at that time people were not familiar with them in the same way as we are today!:shrug:

[Zythryn]

About Soul

 

I have been pondering about this word for past several months, and I think that the soul is analoguous to the knowledge and information embedded in a living being. So when Lord Krishna said in Bhagvad Gita that the soul is eternal, it cannot be destroyed or created, he perhaps meant the same, only he was not use the words information and knowledge, because at that time people were not familiar with them in the same way as we are today!:)

 

Perhaps the soul is our DNA:Angel:

[kvraghavaiah]

dear friend,hallenrm Your reply is good. any how,you could not conclude the thing.You could only show some near answers,none of them strict.

I have strict,clear and feasible answers with me.But, I am in dielamma that whether I can reveal my research work here in this public site or not;while my work may go unrecognised.Please tell me something what to do.

[Tormod]

At least don't ask everyone else to write about their ideas if you are not willing to share your own.

[hallenrm]

.......But, I am in dielamma that whether I can reveal my research work here in this public site or not;while my work may go unrecognised.Please tell me something what to do.

 

By all means, we are all willing! :) but for sake of reason please don't talk nonesense.B)

[Pyrotex]

dear friend,hallenrm Your reply is good. any how,you could not conclude the thing.....Please tell me something what to do.

"What is the nature of human behavior and being? What is the nature of the soul?" These are questions which have puzzled mankind for over 2000 years. Obviously, these questions are much more difficult than the question: "what keeps the planets circling in the sky?" That question was answered over 300 years ago.

 

So, this "clear" answer you have come up with had better be very, very, very profound and valuable. (Also, it had better be verifiable.)

 

The only way to test the worth of your idea is to find someone to share it with. It can be a personal friend, a teacher, or a group of strangers on the Internet. But you must be prepared for the consequences. Your answers may be genius, or they may be trivial. There is only one way to find out.

[sebbysteiny]

I have been really lazy and not read this thread in any real detail.

 

But I will congratulate you severely if you can keep this thread out of the 'strange claims' forum, or at the very least out of the philosophy forum.

 

I'm offering odds of 3:1 that it is going straight to strange claims and 2:1 that it is going to philosophy. So if anybody wants to make a quick buck AND discuss the nature of the soul in a biology forum too, game on.

[cwes99_03]

I think I understand your thought. Be careful, you posted this in the biology thread. Thus you wouldn't want to stray into the theological.

 

Sebby, you are lazy, but you are posting in many a forum right now, while mine seem to be quite quiet. The thread is only 8 long, oops, 9 now.

[Pyrotex]

...I'm offering odds of 3:1 that it is going straight to strange claims...discuss the nature of the soul in a biology forum too, game on.

Discussing the "soul" in a biology forum. Okay, game on.

 

Biology is the study of life, that is, living systems such as animals and plants, and their physical structures.

 

Animals (like humans) have many physical structures that can be determined by dissection and observation. You got the heart, lungs, kidneys, bones, etc.

 

However, we cannot find any physical part of the human body that we can say corresponds to a "soul". This would have to be some organ or biological structure that WE have and animals do NOT; else we would have to admit that animals also have souls.

 

The classic "out" is to point out that humans have "minds"; we speak of the mind having an intellect, memory, esthetics, emotions and a soul (or sometimes, "spirit"). We have now determined that there are specific regions of the brain responsible for intellect, memory, esthetics, emotions -- but none so far have been corresponded to a "soul".

 

Part of the problem is that the word "soul" has no definition. Really! Okay, smarty-pants, what is a "soul"? What attributes does it have that are not also common with intellect, memory, esthetics, emotions? The arguments over this question have raged for centuries -- to no avail. For every definition of the "soul" that humans have ever conjured, somebody else has created a "proof" that that definition is invalid or worthless.

 

So, we got this word "soul" (which we inherited from our ancient ancestors whose original concept was something like, "the breath of life", or the difference between being alive and being dead), and we have no functional definition for it. Most often, people fantasize about a kind of "ghost" in the biological machinery; it doesn't do our thinking or our moralizing or our appreciation of beauty (esthetics) or our emoting; it just... sits there. It is often spoken of as the "seat of our consciousness" or words to that effect, but that is just spinning metaphors.

 

The heart pumps blood, the kidney filters refuse from the blood -- but what does this "soul" thing actually DO?

 

Nobody has given us a good, rational, demonstrable, concise, elegant, undismissable specification for the structure, purpose or function of a "soul". And I mean a "specification" in the same kind of biological terms that we would give, say, the intestines or the eyeballs. All theological attempts to define the soul are just empty hand-waving and posturing.

 

We are left with few options. Perhaps there is no such thing as a "soul". If there is, it is NOT a biological organ of a living being; it is not biological in nature at all. Perhaps it is mystical, but that adds nothing to its understanding -- and means we would have to move this thread to Strange Claims.

[Turtle]

I have strict,clear and feasible answers with me.But, I am in dielamma that whether I can reveal my research work here in this public site or not;while my work may go unrecognised.Please tell me something what to do.

Perhaps there is no such thing as a "soul". If there is, it is NOT a biological organ of a living being; it is not biological in nature at all. Perhaps it is mystical, but that adds nothing to its understanding -- and means we would have to move this thread to Strange Claims.

 

Welcome Kvrag. As to what to do, I say you must act; say your truth, and briefly. What would Arjuna do and when? Whether you hesitate in anticipation of lost compensation or reputation, it is nevertheless hesitation. Act on the strength of your convictions. :)

Now Strange Claims is implicated with a bad connotation here which is not deserved. Whether we go there or Theology may rest in the merits of kvrag's abstract.

[ascalon]

I believe the terminology for manners of the supernatural is ill deffined, and not well know. Generally, my understanding is that the "soul" is the union of your physical body, spirit (eternal form of energy/conciousness), and mind (ego, I suppose). Based on the real experiences of myself and others (wont get into it unless you ask :hyper: ), this world we live in is a part of a superconciousness/"god"/ the intersecting point of all energies, things. Everything we experience in reality (waking and dreaming) descends from that.

 

There are levels of reality and spiritual dimensions, all interwoven in ways science and words cannot fully describe yet. You have the physical world, then the lower astral planes which coexist with what we experience everyday in the physical world, then in the higher levels laws, places, and most things change. The higher planes are higher energy states. It is noted that as the conciousness rises through the levels, the ego begins to be striped away until you get to the highest level, which is the superconciousness/energy which reall has no ego of its own. The physical reality is a manifestation of thoughts and energies from the higher realms, and the laws of the physical world are very fragile, in that one little change can throw it out of whack and "break the dream" so to speak. Other realms don't share in such hard laws, as can be easily observed when you dream. The physical world is a uniques existance, one where conciousness can diverge and experience things with its own ego. Here, in our physical existance, we can do things that can't be done is other spiritual planes, and experience things in completely different ways.

[IDMclean]

All right. I'll bite the line.

 

The soul is the set of the individual arising from the combination of cognitive functions, perspective, and communication, what one defines, and distinguishes the individual as uniquely them. In many a theorem it is said to be eternal, as without an end. The soul is the Ephemeral portion of the individual that outlasts all other parts, and is said by some to exist as transcend. It is then said to be the set which is greater than the sum of the parts. Reaching beyond what exists and into the kingdom of heaven, as part of Brahmin, or many other possible super-existential positions.

 

The Buddha long ago said that the soul does not exist independent of the body and long after him philosophers asserted that the mind does not likewise exist independently of the body.

 

I would assert that the mind, body and soul are but one being, and that all are of this universe only. That one can not count on there being an ever after or an eternal existence beyond our own.

 

Therefore, in my view, the soul is the self, which in each moment metamorphosis into a new self which though is I, is I in a new state. That the soul is in fact the sum of the individual parts. Our transcendence then would simply an awareness of greater diversity of phenomena, through integration of and with our experiences, perceptions, conceptions, communications, realizations and rationalizations.

 

That is to say the soul, mind and body are the identity which is unique me. Unique in this sense takes on an odd connotation, because of science, I am a reproducible pattern. This aspect makes what some might consider the soul, truly eternal.

 

I am betting that is going to make little sense to anyone, but that's the best I can do right now.

[infamous]

I have been really lazy and not read this thread in any real detail.

 

But I will congratulate you severely if you can keep this thread out of the 'strange claims' forum, or at the very least out of the philosophy forum.

 

Ha,ha,ha,....good one sebby.... Maybe we should create a new Music and Fine Arts forum and discuss soul in reference to the innate character of the Jazz musician....................Infy

[sebbysteiny]

Discussing the "soul" in a biology forum. Okay, game on.

 

...

 

Part of the problem is that the word "soul" has no definition. Really! Okay, smarty-pants, what is a "soul"? What attributes does it have that are not also common with intellect, memory, esthetics, emotions? The arguments over this question have raged for centuries -- to no avail. For every definition of the "soul" that humans have ever conjured, somebody else has created a "proof" that that definition is invalid or worthless.

 

I liked your post but this time for it's content. It seemed to me to be an excellent proof of the difficulties about talking about a 'soul' in a Biology forum. QP.

 

However, despite that, I think you are in serious danger of losing the game by straying into the undisputed territory of philosophy B).

[kvraghavaiah]

yes,

really definition of such things seems to be a puzzle.Any how, may human beings solve this puzzle.

[HydrogenBond]

The ancient differentiation of the human mind was body, soul and spirit. The body of the human mind is connected to the hypothalamus and instinctive potentials, the soul of the human mind is connected to the limbic system and emotional potentials, while the spirit is connected to a thalamus-cerebral connection and to cerebral memory.

 

The soul is often personified as feminine because it is a projection that stemmed from males. This is the female side of a man connected to his emotions and feelings. Chemical, such a neuro-transmittors, leak out of the limbic system into the cerebral spinal fluid. This will affect the neural chemical environment of the brain. The result is a neural environment that can be felt in the body, and by the muscular tissue surrounding the heart.

 

The body of the human mind works slightly differently. The hypothalamus affects the chemicals within the blood supply through a train of glands. This blood composition is pumped throughout the body and feeds the brain, also altering the neural chemical environment. Typcially it sets the stage for instinctive neural wiring reactions.

 

The spirit is cerebral wiring in the memory. When memory is created it recieves emotional valence due to the memory being prestamped in the limbic-hypothalamus areas of the brain befoire final storage in the cerebral. Because of this connection, instinct-emotions can induce memory, i.e., hunger makes one think of food or love makes one thing of their other half. The other way also works, with memory able to induce emotional-instinctive potentials, i.e., thinking of pizza can make one hungry or thinking of a beautiful girl cam make one horny, etc.

 

Typcially the spirit animates the soul. There are two spirits, the animal spirit and the divine spirit. The first is connected to instincts, i.e, body or hypothalamus and the second to the mind. For example, when hunger appears it can trigger a range of emotions from desire, so-so, to disgust, etc., This complex dynamics is the soul being animated by the animal spirit, to produce a human extrapolation of animal behavior.

 

On the other hand, the mind or divine spirit can animate the soul. For example, one can think about the concept of world peace. This can induce a range of emotions that animate the person, ranging from euphoric, to fear, to anger, to promising, etc.

 

To get fancier there is the ego and the inner self. Both are spirits in their own right. The ego is more individual and temporal, while the inner self is more collective and time averaged by human genetics. Both have hteir own rhythms and agendas, which can give rise to a split in the soul. The dual spirit can also lead to a blend of the two souls. For example, hunger can lead to a natural set of satisfaction/dissatisfaction emotions. While social ediquette (learned memories), can cause the ego to overlap this natural soul with a layer of polite acceptable emotional behavior.

 

There is just the basic three mind (spirit), soul (limbic emotional) and body (hypothalamus-instinctive). The two book-ends manipulate the limbic to animate the soul. The soul outputs to the body, heart, face, etc. to create dynamic human expressions with tons of variety and subtle human expressions.