kmarinas86 Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 A deep code found in Benjamin Franklin's 13 virtues Graphic representation below: Discovered after total binge eating, and after hitting a new high of 173 pounds (is me). Sorry my stomach =P Two picture sources incase if one of them disappears. Quote
Turtle Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 A deep code found in Benjamin Franklin's 13 virtues Graphic representation below: Discovered after total binge eating, and after hitting a new high of 173 pounds (is me). Sorry my stomach =P Two picture sources incase if one of them disappears. I don't see what you mean to say is a message in code? Moreover, Ol' Ben wrote a lot of things in order to sell his writings that he did live by. Could you offer some claification? Quote
kmarinas86 Posted December 3, 2006 Author Report Posted December 3, 2006 I don't see what you mean to say is a message in code? Moreover, Ol' Ben wrote a lot of things in order to sell his writings that he did live by. Could you offer some claification? Sure why not. The presumption I began with was to find hidden meaning by rearranging the lines so that they contain more information. This was a tough task, but the solution was simple. Number each virtue by it's position in the list, from 1 to 13. Then categorize them into groups where the sum of each group (by the numbers of its virtues) is equal. Since the numbers 1 to 13 sum up to 91, this means that there needs to be 7 groups totalling 13, because by factoring 91 we get the prime numbers 7 and 13 (7 groups all of value 13). So matching was not random or intuitive, it was the necessary result of this repeatable, verifiable procedure. With great luck, the virtues happen to match each other. Even more, I got down to the bottom lines in the image, which show just how powerful simplicity can be: Quote
Turtle Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 A deep code found in Benjamin Franklin's 13 virtues.I have read a number of Franklin biographies and in fact I am currently reading a new one, Benjamin Franklin: An American Life by Walter Isaacson. I am curious what source you used for 'Benjamin Franklin's 13 virtues' as you wrote them? Sure why not. The presumption I began with was to find hidden meaning by rearranging the lines so that they contain more information. This was a tough task, but the solution was simple. Number each virtue by it's position in the list, from 1 to 13. Then categorize them into groups where the sum of each group (by the numbers of its virtues) is equal. Since the numbers 1 to 13 sum up to 91, this means that there needs to be 7 groups totalling 13, because by factoring 91 we get the prime numbers 7 and 13 (7 groups all of value 13). So matching was not random or intuitive, it was the necessary result of this repeatable, verifiable procedure. With great luck, the virtues happen to match each other. Even more, I got down to the bottom lines in the image, which show just how powerful simplicity can be: I think any number of different patterns will tease the eye with such manipulations, and all manner of illusory significance further tease the mind. Did you notice that 91 is 1/4 the number of days in the year? It is all interesting, but I don't think there is any deep code. Quote
kmarinas86 Posted December 4, 2006 Author Report Posted December 4, 2006 I have read a number of Franklin biographies and in fact I am currently reading a new one, Benjamin Franklin: An American Life by Walter Isaacson. I am curious what source you used for 'Benjamin Franklin's 13 virtues' as you wrote them? I think any number of different patterns will tease the eye with such manipulations, and all manner of illusory significance further tease the mind. Did you notice that 91 is 1/4 the number of days in the year? It is all interesting, but I don't think there is any deep code. Maybe you should post your source material and then an explanation of what you'rfe doing by the transform. Or maybe you should get out of the kitchen and exercise a little more. [...] The list I got was from the Agon Shu (http://www.agon.org/us/DharmaTalks/DharmaTalks01_01.html), the descriptions of which have less of ol' dialect. They are in the same order however as the ones on (http://www.school-for-champions.com/character/franklin_virtues.htm) and (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin): Benjamin Franklin drew up a list of 13 virtues which he considered important for leading a successful life.Let's see what they were...First is "abstinence." Do not overeat or overdrink.Next is "silence." Do not engage in idle talk.Third is "discipline." You must observe rules."Resolution." You must accomplish what you resolve."Frugality." Do not waste money."Diligence." You must always be prepared to learn."Sincerity." Do not tell lies; (and) make impartial judgments."Righteousness." Do not damage others' interests."Moderation." Do not go to extremes."Cleanliness." Keep your body, clothing and dwelling clean."Serenity." Do not be disturbed by trivial things; remain calm."Purity." Be chaste.And last comes "modesty." Learn from Jesus Christ and Socrates.These are Benjamin Franklin's 13 virtues. Step one, number the virtues from 1 to 13 1) First is "abstinence." Do not overeat or overdrink.2) Next is "silence." Do not engage in idle talk.3) Third is "discipline." You must observe rules.4) "Resolution." You must accomplish what you resolve.5) "Frugality." Do not waste money.6) "Diligence." You must always be prepared to learn.7) "Sincerity." Do not tell lies; (and) make impartial judgments.8) "Righteousness." Do not damage others' interests.9) "Moderation." Do not go to extremes.10) "Cleanliness." Keep your body, clothing and dwelling clean.11) "Serenity." Do not be disturbed by trivial things; remain calm.12) "Purity." Be chaste.13) And last comes "modesty." Learn from Jesus Christ and Socrates. To categorize, you need groups. To minimize arbitration, make a simple rule that determines which terms are to be matched. Since this must be done quantiatively and not qualitatively, so as to allow for only one solution, we must use numbers. If we make groups, is it arbitrary to distribute them randomly. Therefore there need to be a single rule that follows which will predetermine the groups themselves. The sum of numbers 1 to 13 happen to be equal to a multiple of 13, or 13*7. Multiplication will not work because 1,3,5,7,11,13 are prime numbers and is it therefore impossible to categorize with multiplication. For the same reason, we cannot use division. Subtraction cannot work because then one group will have to have either two minuends or two subtrahends. Therefore we use addition. To assure that there is only one way, there has to be a rule that allows for only one solution. The rule: "The 7 groups assigned to must result in a sum of 13 for each group's virtues' list numbers." This means that virtue 1 must go with virtue 12This means that virtue 2 must go with virtue 11This means that virtue 3 must go with virtue 10This means that virtue 4 must go with virtue 9This means that virtue 5 must go with virtue 8This means that virtue 6 must go with virtue 7 That there is not a virtue going with itself is something which cannot remove the validity of the rule. We are left with the following groups: 1) First is "abstinence." Do not overeat or overdrink.12) "Purity." Be chaste. 2) Next is "silence." Do not engage in idle talk.11) "Serenity." Do not be disturbed by trivial things; remain calm. 3) Third is "discipline." You must observe rules.10) "Cleanliness." Keep your body, clothing and dwelling clean. 4) "Resolution." You must accomplish what you resolve.9) "Moderation." Do not go to extremes. 5) "Frugality." Do not waste money.8) "Righteousness." Do not damage others' interests. 6) "Diligence." You must always be prepared to learn.7) "Sincerity." Do not tell lies; (and) make impartial judgments. 13) And last comes "modesty." Learn from Jesus Christ and Socrates. The groups are now:1) "abstinence." "Purity."2) "silence." "Serenity."3) "discipline." "Cleanliness."4) "Resolution." "Moderation."5) "Frugality." "Righteousness."6) "Diligence." "Sincerity."7) "modesty." This, in fact ends, the part where you can get one result only. So I was wrong when I implied that there was only one solution at the very end... How do these groups relate to each other? A lot could be said about how to oragnize them. But once groups become larger than they need to be, they become obfuscated. It is not simple to merge these groups even more so that there is 4 items in the majority of groups. Assuming that endless grouping is meaningless without emphasis, we decide to indent lines. Reordering them a second time would be as if the previous reordering was a mistake. We could try: 1) "abstinence." "Purity."_2) "silence." "Serenity."__3) "discipline." "Cleanliness."___4) "Resolution." "Moderation."____5) "Frugality." "Righteousness."_____6) "Diligence." "Sincerity."______7) "modesty." But this adds nothing new that is dynamic, like adding constant to an integration. We should rather have: 1) "abstinence." "Purity."_2) "silence." "Serenity."__3) "discipline." "Cleanliness."___4) "Resolution." "Moderation."__5) "Frugality." "Righteousness."_6) "Diligence." "Sincerity."7) "modesty." or ___1) "abstinence." "Purity."__2) "silence." "Serenity."_3) "discipline." "Cleanliness."4) "Resolution." "Moderation."_5) "Frugality." "Righteousness."__6) "Diligence." "Sincerity."___7) "modesty." Or any other equivalent. Now the interpretation part begins. Interpretation is colored by life experiences and therefore lacks pure objectivity. Unlike the first section, mathematics is not involved. However, we may associate the virtues according to a logical structure such as "A, or else, not B". The task is then to find what can be A and B. Here, the virtues are indented in correspondence to their groups (per above): 1) First is "abstinence." Do not overeat or overdrink.12) "Purity." Be chaste._2) Next is "silence." Do not engage in idle talk._11) "Serenity." Do not be disturbed by trivial things; remain calm.__3) Third is "discipline." You must observe rules.__10) "Cleanliness." Keep your body, clothing and dwelling clean.___4) "Resolution." You must accomplish what you resolve.___9) "Moderation." Do not go to extremes.__5) "Frugality." Do not waste money.__8) "Righteousness." Do not damage others' interests._6) "Diligence." You must always be prepared to learn._7) "Sincerity." Do not tell lies; (and) make impartial judgments.13) And last comes "modesty." Learn from Jesus Christ and Socrates. A B 1&12 13 2 7 11 6 3 8 10 5 4 9 Some may come and disagree with it, or perhaps find an excess of relationships, and that is a flaw of my design. But I believe that even if the process itself didn't make sense, it allowed me to reach conclusions (that make sense to me) that would otherwise be harder for me to imagine. Racoon 1 Quote
Turtle Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 [...] The list I got was from the Agon Shu (http://www.agon.org/us/DharmaTalks/DharmaTalks01_01.html), the descriptions of which have less of ol' dialect. They are in the same order however as the ones on (Ben Franklin's 13 Virtues - The Power of Good Character) and (Benjamin Franklin): - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... Some may come and disagree with it, or perhaps find an excess of relationships, and that is a flaw of my design. But I believe that even if the process itself didn't make sense, it allowed me to reach conclusions (that make sense to me) that would otherwise be harder for me to imagine. I know that in Isaacson's biography he talks about the list, so I will go back and find the reference, and in the mean time I will go read these you gave. If your design is to find patterns of significance by any means, then there is no flaw whatever. Your description of your process is exemplary. It prompts me to recall the story of Gauss as a child dispatching the task of summing the first 100 digits, something the instructor thought to be a time consuming process. Gauss broke the list into pairs, but the particulars escape me. This is where I go hooklook it up in my handy C1aycragiqwfwqjayqronthepon. :evil: Quote
kmarinas86 Posted December 5, 2006 Author Report Posted December 5, 2006 I know that in Isaacson's biography he talks about the list, so I will go back and find the reference, and in the mean time I will go read these you gave. If your design is to find patterns of significance by any means, then there is no flaw whatever. Your description of your process is exemplary. It prompts me to recall the story of Gauss as a child dispatching the task of summing the first 100 digits, something the instructor thought to be a time consuming process. Gauss broke the list into pairs, but the particulars escape me. This is where I go hooklook it up in my handy C1aycragiqwfwqjayqronthepon. :hihi: If what you mean by first 100 digits is the whole numbers 1 through 100, there is a very easy way to figure it out. Just take the average of the whole numbers, ((1+100)/2), and multiply by 100. The assumption is that the average of adjacent whole numbers (such as 2,3,4,5) is equal to the median, mean, and mode of that set. We only need the mean =P. Quote
Pyrotex Posted December 15, 2006 Report Posted December 15, 2006 ...recall the story of Gauss as a child dispatching the task of summing the first 100 digits, something the instructor thought to be a time consuming process. ...Wow. So it happened to Gauss, too!? :shrug: My fifth grade teacher gave the same assignment to my class.I saw everybody busy writing down each number and adding, one at a time.For some reason, I didn't want to do it. But I thought about it. And it occurred to me that if I added 100+1 it would be 101; and 99+2 was 101; and 98+3 was 101. And all the numbers could be grouped in pairs that would add to 101; there were 50 such pairs. I wrote 101 x 50 = 5050 on my paper and raised my hand. The teacher looked startled and came over, took my paper, read it, looked at me and smiled from ear to ear. She went back to her desk without another word. The other kids scribbled and scribbled while I stared out the window at the trees. :D Quote
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