Socialism vs capitalism

[Kriminal99]

Socialism and capitalism are recent human constructs. Communism is the natural order. Look at how primitive man lived. A family is a good example of a comunistic system. so is a tribe.

 

I think thats just because primitive man had enough space that they could just avoid each other.

[Edge]

I support capitalism. I think that everyone should be able to succed due to their work. However, I agree that there should be some programs that help the people with disabilities and the recently unemployed.

 

Communism, well, I don't think I would like to live in a communist country. Besides, on every single one of the threads of communism vs. capitalism (on other forums) I have seen that people that support communism always argue that real communism hasn't been implemented. Of course, that after people shows them failed communisms.

[lindagarrette]

Linda, China is abandoning communism as quickly as it can. that is why they are becoming a a world power. since you seem to admire communism, what type position and work would you be involved in in that type society ?

I would be Captain Picard of the starship Enterprise.

[bartock]

I would be Captain Picard of the starship Enterprise.

captain Picard is not communist

[lindagarrette]

captain Picard is not communist

The starship Enterprise operates as an almost ideal communistic society.

[Southtown]

Communism is just geno-slavery. There's no market balancing mechanism, and the welfare of the populace rests solely on the generosity, intelligence, and capability of the slave drivers.

 

http://www.mostuff.net/pdfs/WhySocialismCantWork.pdf

[lindagarrette]

http://www.mostuff.net/pdfs/WhySocialismCantWork.pdf

Nonsense

[bartock]

The starship Enterprise operates as an almost ideal communistic society.

i thought it was a utopian socialist society.

[bartock]

Nonsense

how would you define a communist society?

[HydrogenBond]

Both socialist and capitalist societies thave their advantages and disadvantages. The socialist distribute more resources toward the middle and bottom of culture, giving the bottom half a better chance at life. But on the other hand, it takes away the incentive of the upper half. Without that incentive, the median never gets very high.

 

With a captialist system there is incentive via self interest. This maximizes wealth and pulls the median up higher. But with only a fixed amount of resources, the wealth is maximized but shifted toward the top half. There is less left over for those at the bottom. This is partially subjective since the higher ideal makes one feel further away from parity.The top further maximizes utility through politics by placing the burden of taxation on the higher median. A more equitable tax system would shift a capitialist culture closer to the bright side of socialism without being socialist. The upper end will just have to earn a more equitable fortune.

[Southtown]

Nonsense

If YOU say so.

[Kriminal99]

Um many visions of socialism use a free market economy to realize the socialist enviornment. Its just about what the government should and should not do to limit "market failure" and how the government is actually encouraging market failure in many cases with current policies.

 

Market failure is the only thing which keeps everyone from being paid the same amount in a free market economy.

[lindagarrette]

In a free market economy, the government has no roll.

[Beelzebub]

this discussion has been hashed over millions of times. altruism only works if there is a quid pro quo so that no one feels he is having to do all the work and not being paid enough for his labors. why should i work for you? that is socialism. shouldn't i work for myself and my family? shouldn't everyone do the same? that is capitalism. the only problem with capitalism is when people cheat the system. read Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand if you want to get a good knowledge of capitalism. shouldn't i try to become the best i can be by educating myself and working hard? am i also supposed to pay for those who are too lazy to work or don't care about an education? do you work for yourself or do you work to give it to others ? what do they do to deserve it ?

Someone will always cheat the system.

[lindagarrette]

Both socialist and capitalist societies thave their advantages and disadvantages. The socialist distribute more resources toward the middle and bottom of culture, giving the bottom half a better chance at life. But on the other hand, it takes away the incentive of the upper half. Without that incentive, the median never gets very high.

Ideally, capitalism maximizes wealth for all. But what happens in reality is that the strong become more powerful than they deserve to be and take advantage of their superiority. If they didn't they would be pushed down to the lower levels in a hurry. The incentive, for the most part is excessive greed. Those who are motivated by humanitarian concerns and try to run ethical, honest, and moral enterprises will not do well. (Personal experience.)

[bartock]

Both socialist and capitalist societies thave their advantages and disadvantages. The socialist distribute more resources toward the middle and bottom of culture, giving the bottom half a better chance at life. But on the other hand, it takes away the incentive of the upper half. Without that incentive, the median never gets very high.

 

With a captialist system there is incentive via self interest. This maximizes wealth and pulls the median up higher. But with only a fixed amount of resources, the wealth is maximized but shifted toward the top half. There is less left over for those at the bottom. This is partially subjective since the higher ideal makes one feel further away from parity.The top further maximizes utility through politics by placing the burden of taxation on the higher median. A more equitable tax system would shift a capitialist culture closer to the bright side of socialism without being socialist. The upper end will just have to earn a more equitable fortune.

so in a capitilist society there should be a tax system that is not a burden for the poor and which does not take away the incentive from the hard working.

are you talking about income tax?

[bartock]

of coures people work for reward.when one's reward is material wealth, he will only work for material wealth.