Equality... or not?

[Tim_Lou]

do you believe in equality?

should everybody be equal?

 

my guess is not.

asssume that there are 3 guys, 3 packs of food.

since eveybody is equal, everyone gets one pack!

but guy 1 is skinny, guy 2 is average, guy 3 is fat.

 

guy 1 dies due to lack of food... well, is that equality?

 

men are not born to be equal, thus the world can never be equal.

[TINNY]

Of course. That's why socialism and communism doesn't work.

men are not born to be equal, thus the world can never be equal.

What do you mean by unequal here?

Of course, no man is identical with another due to genetic and social factors.

 

I'm not sure what you're getting at Tim.

 

But you know Tim, there has to be justice to all. Human rights have to protected.

[sanctus]

Of course. That's why socialism and communism doesn't work.

That's maybe why comunism doesn't work, but has nothing to do with socialism.

[Freethinker]

Neither does Democracy work.

 

Or at least if you use historical precidence based on priviously existing examples. Remember there is not a single true Democracy in existence today.

 

But I am not aware of any truly Socialistic governments in history.

[TINNY]

That's maybe why comunism doesn't work, but has nothing to do with socialism.

Ah.. Europeans are really fond of socialism, aren't they.

[lindagarrette]

Socialism and even Communism are very workable, in theory. The main reason those systems are not practical is because of human nature's instinctive propensity for status seeking. Capitalism best supports this need by enabling the stong to victimize the weak.

[sanctus]

Remember there is not a single true Democracy in existence today.

 

 

What about the democracy of Switzerland?

Nothing to do with patriotism, I'm as well italian any way....

 

I think we've got a real democratic system against EVERY decision we can make a referendum, every idea can become a law once that there are enough signatures to enable votations and it passes. Isn't this a democracy.

Just to those who don't know much about swiss politics, our constitution is based on the first one of the US which I believe to be truly democratic.

[Tim_Lou]

what im thinking is that... maybe equality is not the ultimate goal of the society... its too impossible that we should aim something else.

[Tim_Lou]

but i cant think of anything else besides equality...

 

maybe equality in some situation is more important than equality in other situation.

what i mean is that, like the equality of survival chance is more important... than equality of getting an equal amount of money...

[Tim_Lou]

hmm, do you think that social classes should exist?

[TINNY]

hmm, do you think that social classes should exist?

social classes is necesssary, Tim. even a socialist nation has classes - the citizens and the national leaders.

about democracy - it's like giving everybody a right. when a minority stages a protest, the government in the end succumbs by giving rights to the minority. In a way, a democracy system is governed by the minority. Whenever they want something, they protest. THen leaders have to give them their rights.

what im thinking is that... maybe equality is not the ultimate goal of the society... its too impossible that we should aim something else.

I mentioned in my earlier post that it is not equality, but justice that must be the ultimate goal -:

But you know Tim, there has to be justice to all. Human rights have to protected.

[Freethinker]

social classes is necesssary, Tim. even a socialist nation has classes - the citizens and the national leaders.

Not true. In a true Socialist society, the leaders would be members of the general population with limited power or status. Mainly just to oversee the equal distribution. They would actually be subservient to the general population. Not superior to. Also not inferior to, thus not a lower class, just a different task.

about democracy - it's like giving everybody a right. when a minority stages a protest, the government in the end succumbs by giving rights to the minority.

Again, wrong. Sorry!

 

But in a pure democracy EVERYTHING represents the MAJORITY oppinion. NOTHING is based on minority desires. It is pure MOB RULE. Minority opinion is rejected.

 

That is why the US is NOT a Democracy. The elected REPRESENTITIVES are restricted not only by personal whim or majority opinion, but by protections built into the Constitution for the minority. Thus technically the US is a Constitutional Representitive Republic.

[lindagarrette]

I've given up trying to convince people about the difference between democratic and republican form of government. The terms are too often misused by the media and politicians. There are times when a democracy is appropriate. For example, in a small organization when deciding what color to paint the walls. Otherwise, it's mob rule.

[Freethinker]

It doesn't help that most US kids are still taught that the US is a Democracy.

[motherengine]

we are not all born equal but we will all be equal in the end.