Water: Where will it come from in 2050?

[Moontanman]

High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

now this would be a huge topic

to use haarp to steer clouds to drought areas

although it may be a good idea

it is still like iron

a tool, or a weapon

used as a tool we could stop desertification, increase the amount of snow in mountins that feed natural water sources,

if its size is increased it could steer hurricanes

mabe even steer the hurricanes to the center of the ocean

pull clouds in a conveyor belt action

and provide water to needed countries

 

i myself believe it would be a good investment for the sake of the planet

all of its endangered life from the effects of humanity

 

but controls would have to be put in place so that no one nation has control

if it gets to this level of capability

 

edit:

mabe a non montary based "credit" for resource dispurtion (water, clouds,etc.)

 

Belovelife, what are you talking about? HAARP is not a weapon has absolutely no capability to influence the weather in any way shape or form, your link does not back up this contention at all and doesn't show HAARP as being anything but a research platform top study the ionosphere.

[belovelife]

i know

but it has the ability to heat the upper atomoshere

wich gives an artificial high pressure zone

accelerating the air particles, causing expantion of the atmoshere

and effectivly putting a dent in the air , then the cooler air is the direction

that the clouds/hurricanes move to

thus nudging a hurricane

[belovelife]

read first! :(

Security Message

:(

 

Spectrum Monitor Waterfall Chart :hyper:

[Moontanman]

i know

but it has the ability to heat the upper atomoshere

wich gives an artificial high pressure zone

accelerating the air particles, causing expantion of the atmoshere

and effectivly putting a dent in the air , then the cooler air is the direction

that the clouds/hurricanes move to

thus nudging a hurricane

 

So in other words, your ideas about weather control was completely extracted from your posterior? HAARP has no weather control capability what so ever, it's output is far too small to have any effect on the weather in any way.

[belovelife]

uhh :hyper:

well if we had an theoretical instrument that could do this

how would you vote? :(

[Moontanman]

read first! :(

Security Message

:(

 

Spectrum Monitor Waterfall Chart :hyper:

 

None of this has anything what so ever to do with your claims, are you farking with me?

[Moontanman]

uhh :hyper:

well if we had an theoretical instrument that could do this

how would you vote? :(

 

HAARP shows no us reason what so ever to think it has this capability so your question is meaningless. It is not an instrument of weather control, theoretical or other wise. You need to throttle back on the conspiracy theories, you've been ingesting far too conspiracy coffee :(

[belovelife]

i know in the FAQ's

Frequently Asked Questions

 

Is HAARP capable of affecting the weather?

The HAARP facility will not affect the weather. Transmitted energy in the frequency ranges that will be used by HAARP is not absorbed in either the troposphere or the stratosphere - the two levels of the atmosphere that produce the earth's weather. Electromagnetic interactions only occur in the near-vacuum of the rarefied region above about 70 km known as the ionosphere.

The ionosphere is created and continuously replenished as the sun's radiation interacts with the highest levels of the Earth's atmosphere. The downward coupling from the ionosphere to the stratosphere/troposphere is extremely weak, and no association between natural ionospheric variability and surface weather and climate has been found, even at the extraordinarily high levels of ionospheric turbulence that the sun can produce during a geomagnetic storm. If the ionospheric storms caused by the sun itself don't affect the surface weather, there is no chance that HAARP can do so either.

 

How long do the effects of ionospheric heating last?

Since the ionosphere is, inherently, a turbulent medium that is being both "stirred up" and renewed by the sun, artificially induced effects are quickly obliterated. Depending on the height within the ionosphere where the effect is originally produced, these effects are no longer detectable after times ranging from less than a second to ten minutes.

A good analogy to this process is dropping a stone into a fast moving stream. The ripples caused by the stone are very quickly lost in the rapidly moving water and, a little farther down the stream, are completely undetectable. A University of Alaska, Geophysical Institute scientist has compared HAARP to an "immersion heater in the Yukon River."

[Moontanman]

i know in the FAQ's

Frequently Asked Questions

 

Is HAARP capable of affecting the weather?

The HAARP facility will not affect the weather. Transmitted energy in the frequency ranges that will be used by HAARP is not absorbed in either the troposphere or the stratosphere - the two levels of the atmosphere that produce the earth's weather. Electromagnetic interactions only occur in the near-vacuum of the rarefied region above about 70 km known as the ionosphere.

The ionosphere is created and continuously replenished as the sun's radiation interacts with the highest levels of the Earth's atmosphere. The downward coupling from the ionosphere to the stratosphere/troposphere is extremely weak, and no association between natural ionospheric variability and surface weather and climate has been found, even at the extraordinarily high levels of ionospheric turbulence that the sun can produce during a geomagnetic storm. If the ionospheric storms caused by the sun itself don't affect the surface weather, there is no chance that HAARP can do so either.

 

How long do the effects of ionospheric heating last?

Since the ionosphere is, inherently, a turbulent medium that is being both "stirred up" and renewed by the sun, artificially induced effects are quickly obliterated. Depending on the height within the ionosphere where the effect is originally produced, these effects are no longer detectable after times ranging from less than a second to ten minutes.

A good analogy to this process is dropping a stone into a fast moving stream. The ripples caused by the stone are very quickly lost in the rapidly moving water and, a little farther down the stream, are completely undetectable. A University of Alaska, Geophysical Institute scientist has compared HAARP to an "immersion heater in the Yukon River."

 

Again I ask what is your point? Your post simply confirms what I have already said.

[charles brough]

The idea of a means of extracting moisture from the air seems highly suspect to me---even in a humid climate. Sure, it can be done, but how much energy does it take? That is the crucial question, and it was not even raised!

[freeztar]

The idea of a means of extracting moisture from the air seems highly suspect to me---even in a humid climate. Sure, it can be done, but how much energy does it take? That is the crucial question, and it was not even raised!

 

Dehumidifiers can consume more than $150 a year in energy, so look for models that are Energy Star-qualified (they'll carry the Energy Star seal), which are 10 to 20 percent more efficient than non-Energy Star units.

ConsumerReports.org - Dehumidifiers can control humidity levels and keep your home free of mold and mildew

 

Of course they don't say how long they are kept running, but let's assume constant usage.

 

Let's use an average size of 30 pints per day.

Dehumidifier Basics : ENERGY STAR

 

That's 10950 pints per year which equates to about $0.014 per pint. That's about 11 cents per gallon. That's pretty cheap.

[charles brough]

ConsumerReports.org - Dehumidifiers can control humidity levels and keep your home free of mold and mildew

 

Of course they don't say how long they are kept running, but let's assume constant usage.

 

Let's use an average size of 30 pints per day.

Dehumidifier Basics : ENERGY STAR

 

That's 10950 pints per year which equates to about $0.014 per pint. That's about 11 cents per gallon. That's pretty cheap.

 

I admire your providing real research here and agree but only in the sense that 11 cents a gallon is cheap if we buy it in the store. It might be ten times what our municipal water now costs. I imagine the whole issue resides on how long it would take such equipment to pay for itself. People now won't buy a hybrid car if the extra expense take more than three years to pay for itself.

[belovelife]

Energy-Efficient Water Purification

 

On this line of though I have also heard of wind powere dasalinizaton, wave powered desalinization.

[Michaelangelica]

Did I post this link before?

Sharing Sustainable Solutions.org Information Center for Low-tech sustainability / Air Wells & Dew Ponds

It is from a similar discussion at the Permaculture Forums.

Permaculture discussion forum • View topic - Air Water Harvesting

It seems air water harvesting has been around for thousands of years read Ojo's last post on page 2 of the discussion.

[Michaelangelica]

February 16, 2009

New toolkit helps food manufacturers save water

Photograph of a shower head with a drop of water

 

The new toolkit will help food manufacturers save water. Image © istockphoto.

 

A practical new toolkit developed by RMIT University researchers will help food manufacturers cut their water use by identifying the processes that use the most water and the changes they can make to reduce their consumption.

. . .

“Food processing uses more water than any other industry around Australia, consuming more than 241 billion litres of water each year,” Dr Jayasuriya said.

 

“In Victoria, any businesses that use more than 10 million litres a year must prepare a water-saving plan but smaller firms are exempt from this rule.

 

“These businesses usually don’t have the expertise or the financial resources necessary to develop water sustainability plans.

 

“This toolkit will give small business owners a practical understanding of their water use and show them where they can affordably implement water savings.”

RMIT - New toolkit helps food manufacturers save water

 

To download toolkit go here:)

Plenty Food Group - The Food Manufacturing Hub Of Melbourne

[Michaelangelica]

Positioning for When Water Runs Out: Part II 54 comments

. . . It is nothing less than amazing to me that somehow 6 billion people sustain life on the roughly 1% of the earth’s water that is not salt water or brackish water (comprising about 97.5%) or encased in polar and glacial ice (about 1.5%).

. . .

We have not yet reached the point of recycling all waste water like the Fremen of Arrakis in Frank Hebert’s brilliant novel Dune, but if we are consigned to endlessly squabble over that fixed 1% in a world where population is anything but fixed, many will die and many more will suffer.

 

Already, lack of water (or dirty water) is by far the largest disease problem in the world; only 20% of the world's population enjoys the benefits of indoor running water; and every year, the amount of global water polluted equals the water consumed.

. . .

Salt water in ocean and sea is composed of all kinds of elements and minerals we call “salts”: epsom salts, potassium salts, iodine salts, and lots more. Ocean water is about three times as salty as your blood.

. . .

Man is a wily creature and every now and again uses his brain for something besides figuring out how to destroy his nation’s economic system or finding new ways to destroy other inhabitants of the planet

. . .

It may not be too big a stretch to suggest that desalination may prevent more wars than the United Nations ever has. (OK, that would be a single digit, so let us say, the UN, all the world’s religious leaders and all the world’s political leaders…)

. . .

Couldn’t we just once plan ahead of a known catastrophe?!!

 

+ lots of stock market tips.

Positioning for When Water Runs Out: Part II -- Seeking Alpha

 

Theoretically the salt mineral value of the discharge brine is up to A$250 million per year.

 

The hyper-saline brine returned to the sea contains valuable salts including:

 

*

NaCl (sodium chloride)

*

MgSO4.7H2O (Epsom salt)

*

KCl (potassium chloride) and MgCl2 (magnesium chloride)

*

Br (bromine) and Li (lithium) salts.

 

Value-added products from waste brine

 

Salts extracted from seawater are widely used across many industries, including the minerals and chemical processing industries.

 

. . .

Potentially salt may be extracted from the hyper-saline brine left after desalination. This could significantly reduce the area of land required for salt evaporation pans.

 

Hyper-saline waters can be converted into higher value products such as:

 

*

caustic soda – for the alumina industry

*

sodium cyanide – for the gold industry

*

sodium hypochlorite – bleach

*

polyvinyl chloride – PVC

*

titanium tetrachloride – for titanium pigment and titanium metal production

*

hydrochloric acid – a common minerals acid widely used by all industries.

 

Bitterns – the liquid remaining after the salt has been removed from the sea water – can also be converted into valuable products for use in:

 

*

waste water and sewage treatment

*

scrubbing sulfur dioxide and sulfur trioxide

*

making light-weight flame retardant panels and boards

*

Epsom salt production for horticulture

*

refractory bricks for industrial furnaces

*

magnesium metal production.

 

Bitterns also contain valuable potassium, bromine and lithium salts.

 

Bromines are essential feedstock for many fumigating agents, petroleum products and medicine whereas lithium is mostly used in the making of lithium batteries.

 

‘Australia has the potential to co-establish a brine processing industry with chemical industries around desalination plants,’ says Dr Aral, ‘which may lead to zero brine discharge back into the sea and increase the value of the salt industry.’.

http://www.csiro.au/science/ZeroBrineDischarge.html

[Michaelangelica]

Here, you can vote for money to go to a water charity

Sign up and use Chase Community Giving on Facebook | Facebook

the World Health Organization, over 1 billion people worldwide lack access to safe drinking water, and 2.5 billion people worldwide lack hygienic toilets and waste management systems.

Every 15 seconds, a child dies from water-related diseases. Some people, like Afeworki, must walk a 5 mile journey, three times a day, for water.

As we enter a new decade, providing water, hope, and life for all human beings is a humanitarian goal we can achieve.

The Plan

 

The first part of World Water Association’s “Big Idea” is to provide water to thousands of people around the world by constructing water projects, creating waste management systems, and establishing educational programs to promote sustainable practices abroad.

Not only can WWA continue to partner with nonprofit organizations to provide clean water to those in Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Honduras, and India, but WWA can broaden its impact by providing water to those in other countries including Kenya, Vietnam, etc.

The second part of WWA’s goal is to encourage the environmental conservation and protection of water resources in America. Each year, Americans send roughly 38 billion water bottles to landfills; through our educational outreach programs, we hope to encourage Americans to care about their water and to advocate for sustainable practices and clean water systems.

The Outcome

 

With 1 million dollars, W. . .