Contemplating about the nature of the God

[hallenrm]

Suppose there is God, a supernatural entity that evaluates our karma and the awards punishments or rewards according to its own algorithm (the divine laws); how would He be monitoring the actions of so many organisms?

 

OK He is endowed with supernaturals power that enables him to collect a lots of information, but what would be His mode of gathering information?

Would it be collecting information about the action of each individual in the context of the circumstances of the each action,

or would it be through a gross overview of the status at a particular place at a particular time,

or periodic reviews to decide when an iuntervention is called for!

 

Alternatively, would He be monitoring the state of each particle (molecule, atom, proton, electron or quark) that constitutes the body of an organism and then the actions depend on the gross picture.

 

What would be the most efficient method?

 

Dare to contemplate? :

[LJP07]

In my opinion, I have come to one conclusion in particular in which God is all of us and are actions determine that response. For example we have two people. One person decided to go out and induce arson in a housing estate. The second decided to go to church or socialise. The actions of the first aren't right hence one of two things might happen, either he will get caught and punished, which is right, or there will be a consequence and unfortunately someone might die.

 

As we can see the second person was the better choice to make which ultimately results in no harm being done. I believe God is everything that exists, the Universe and it's all. I don't believe it's a person or living entity but a body that is the Universe. This is because everyones actions determine how well we live and we base these on either the Ten Commandments or if atheist, the ten commandments which they call something else. But everyone should base their lives on these or their "own set" of moral principles.

 

So we decide how the world is going to end, Global Warming for example. Obviously our actions are wrong if Global Warming is being done recently and were being let know that we have to solve the problem, or do right. Under every situation this arises, so the majority will want to do right. This is my understanding of God in general. It eliminates the idea of what he looks like and what he's thinking or where he is and how he can monitor everyone at the same time.

 

We are part of God and we can see what we have to do to live right.

[hallenrm]

The nature of God, i think varies from culture to culture. Mark it I am

 

very conciously avoidung using the word religion, in its place I am

 

using culture. This is so because I believe that although religious

 

beliefs may remain constant, the culture of its adherent changes

 

through ages.

 

Take the example of ancient Indian culture that gave rise to what is

 

known as Hinduism, the religion. In the well known epic "The Bhagwad

 

Gita" Lord Krsna, an incarnation of God tells Arjuna the warrior in the battle of Mahabharate the following verse

 

"Yada Yada Hi Dharmasya Glanirva Bhavathi Bharatha, Abhyuthanam

 

Adharmaysya Tadatmanam Srijami Aham'. Praritranaya Sadhunam Vinashaya

 

Cha Dushkritam Dharama sansthapnaya Sambhavami Yuge-Yuge."[/Quote]

 

Which roughly translates in English to, "Whenever immorality seems to have an upper hand on morality, I come to the rescue"

 

Thus, we see that the God, here, is not considered to take cognizance of each and every act of people involved, only when they (the acts) surpass a certain limit, the God intervenes.

[InfiniteNow]

how would He be monitoring the actions of so many organisms? ...What would be the most efficient method?

Let the system be completely self-organizing, and the rest is just balance. Put your initial parameters in place, push start, and leave. That's my approach.

 

Shaking the snow globe of existence... :(

[LJP07]

Put your initial parameters in place, push start, and leave. That's my approach.

 

Actually if you use your imagination InfiniteNow, that sentence could mean something entirely different! :hyper: :)

[hallenrm]

Let the system be completely self-organizing, and the rest is just balance. Put your initial parameters in place, push start, and leave. That's my approach.

 

Shaking the snow globe of existence... :)

 

The idea undoubtedly sounds very interesting, but considering its origins certain doubts arise in mind. For example, is the almighty God so farsighted that he would have known all the factors that could have influenced His creation, is there a possibility oh Him ignoring some factors at that time, knowledge and wisdom are usually the gifts of experience! Did He had all the experience at hand while creating the mankind?:hyper:

 

If the answer to any one of these questions can be NO, then He needs to correct His mistakes, now and then.:computerkick:

[InfiniteNow]

If the answer to any one of these questions can be NO, then He needs to correct His mistakes, now and then.:hyper:

Well, you assume a creator where I do not. I was responding as I (in the first person) were the creator.

 

The perfection is a result of the error itself. Random walks are more robust than rigid control. One line comments coming in threes tend to convey greater import.

 

 

Cheers. :)

[hallenrm]

The perfection is a result of the error itself. Random walks are more robust than rigid control. One line comments coming in threes tend to convey greater import.

Cheers. ;)

 

There are these old saying "The God made the human beings in his ownn image"

To err is human!:cup:

[Southtown]

...is the almighty God so farsighted that he would have known all the factors that could have influenced His creation...

According to Hebrew scripture, yes. And even moreso as you come to understand the feasts of Yahweh (Leviticus 23) The Feast of Unleavened Bread/Passover (Leviticus 23:5-8) fortold the crucifixion and the accompanying Feast of First Fruits (Leviticus 23:9-21) fortold the Pentecost (Greek for fifty). The Feast of First Fruits occurs the day after the seventh sabbath following the Feast of unleavened bread: 49 + 1 = 50.

 

Note this seemingly out-of-place interjection between the above and what follows. (Leviticus 23:22)

 

We resume the feasts with the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement. (Leviticus 23:23-32) This tradition commemorates the (first) giving of the Mosaic Law at Mt. Sinai. (Exodus 19) The prophetic message regards the second coming and is of course not yet fulfilled. It lies wait along side its twin. (Revelation 11:12)

 

Then we come to the Feast of Tabernacles. (Leviticus 23:33-44) A memorial to the dwelling in tents by Israel in the desert following their escape from Egypt, and it foretells the birth of the Messiah. (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew, 1:22-23, Luke 2:7, John 1:14) Think nativity... :QuestionM

 

I'm currently writing a series on these feasts to spell out the reasoning behind these concepts. Here's part one. The next one, regarding the ark, will be truly delicious.

[Freddy]

There are these old saying "The God made the human beings in his ownn image"

To err is human!:hihi:

There is also: "Man made God in his own image."

[ughaibu]

There's also 'god is unknowable', so how can anyone say what image god presents?

[LJP07]

There's also 'god is unknowable', so how can anyone say what image god presents?

 

The general concensus here is that God is the image of either humans or Jesus, take that with a pinch of seasalt though as I'm not too sure as to the truth of such a statement:doh:

 

" God is Unknowable " = That's one of the reasons faith is involved.

 

How could you know a being that we will probably never get to talk to or meet, I have another definition of God that I presented near the top of the thread, it's not physically possible to meet such a thing, but it could be generally accepted.

[InfiniteNow]

God is anthropomorphic perhaps...

 

 

Strange to me that with all the richness of life a human form would be chosen for the omnipotent, but whatever, people play the lotto too.

[Heavy]

God is not a respector of persons. What this really means is that what you percieve to be you as in your ego is just part of your imagination to give you the illusion that you are a seperate entity. There is only one life expressed in many different forms. The bible says do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Feces doesnt stink or have a foul odor we give it that label it smells how it smells. Murder isnt bad or wrong only in mans finite mind. It is an event that takes place in a moment of duration. We label this as being a bad or evil event. What about the undertaker and his family the cemetary employees. There are many who support thier families through death. God is constant never changing. Do not look at the things that people suffer as being punishment thats what the biblical scribes or the ancients call it because the masses can better identify with this terminology.Look at it with the mind set as when you take an egg crack it, stir it up and then put it to fire to get those golden scramble eggs that you like. To get those eggs you had to crack it, stir it and put it to fire.

When will man look within for God instead of without. To move physically we contract our muscles or our muscles draw back on themselves to produce movement.

Man being an indivisible two (individual) must draw back unto his part of self that is invisible to produce movement on the spiritual side. Peace.

 

 

Mark 4:11

[InfiniteNow]

Did you just say god is a bowel movement? :evil:

[Southtown]

God is not a respector of persons. What this really means is that what you percieve to be you as in your ego is just part of your imagination to give you the illusion that you are a seperate entity. There is only one life expressed in many different forms. The bible says do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Feces doesnt stink or have a foul odor we give it that label it smells how it smells. Murder isnt bad or wrong only in mans finite mind. It is an event that takes place in a moment of duration. We label this as being a bad or evil event. What about the undertaker and his family the cemetary employees. There are many who support thier families through death. God is constant never changing. Do not look at the things that people suffer as being punishment thats what the biblical scribes or the ancients call it because the masses can better identify with this terminology.Look at it with the mind set as when you take an egg crack it, stir it up and then put it to fire to get those golden scramble eggs that you like. To get those eggs you had to crack it, stir it and put it to fire.

When will man look within for God instead of without. To move physically we contract our muscles or our muscles draw back on themselves to produce movement.

Man being an indivisible two (individual) must draw back unto his part of self that is invisible to produce movement on the spiritual side. Peace.

 

 

Mark 4:11

Sweet, very sweet. =P

[Dyothelite]

Heavy are you essentially saying that reality is a product of observation?

 

I'm trying to associate these ideas into quantum reality and observation as well.

 

If a bear craps in the woods and no one comes by to observe it does it continue to stink? hahaha

 

Honestly there are too many points you hit for me to respond to here.

 

Actually to second Southtown's emotion.... "sweet indeed".