Parallel Dimension and Ideal Future

[rocket art]

Nikola your observation is appreciated. New ideas always have struggle as its company.

 

In addition to which, the universe does not care one bit about human consciousness. It existed long before us, and will exist long after us. Breaking with tradition is not admirable in and of itself. Breaking tradition is only a good thing if good things come of it.

 

I consider your statement that "the universe does not care..." to be highly subjective. It should have been considered that despite the vastness of the Universe, our planet happens to be at just the right place relative to the Sun, and have just the right atmosphere capable of providing oxygen and sustaining a variety of life, than to say it does not 'care'. Even the word 'care' that you used connotes that you perceive the Universe as 'Conscious', otherwise you would merely use the term 'detached' or what not to describe a purely mechanistic universe. Your statement then that the Universe existed 'long before us' and 'after us' was actually meant in reference to the physical, material, carbon based components subject to decay and limits. However, with the relative aspect of the 'Conscious' universe and the Conscious 'us', such may broaden our perspective towards higher dimensional perspectives that prod us to be more aware and to evolve that may overshadow the initial viewpoint that the 'Conscious' Universe 'does not care'. Perhaps, us saying the it 'does not care' may belie the situation that we are just being less consciously evolved to perceive of our vast Universe, and definitely it would be less admirable if we remain in such state.

 

I see no actual scientific theory in your 'theory', and would challenge you to come up with a prediction that it makes that can be tested, and a way that it can be falsified. A scientific theory MUST make predictions (or it is useless) and MUST be falsifiable (or it is not science).

 

The dilemma occurs since mainstream science, influenced by materialistic, logic biased mode of thinking, seemed much detached to the human phenomenon. Rather than being relative, the Human phenomenon seemed treated instead to mechanized objectivity, which I do not find appropiate.

 

My theory instead perceives itself as relative to the Human phenomenon, with Consciousness playing the vital role. I had talked with a very intuitive (intuition should be aptly defined as knowledge at the cellular level, rather than the conventional definition of it, which I find inaccurate and may as well be relegated to being synonymous with educated guess’) individual about this. He is my inventor friend who’s into some kind of zero point technology device. He said he had completed a formulation inspired by the principle behind my painting. I have observed that my theory is falsifiable when he told me that the Future in my theory ought to be [math]E =( mc^2)^2[/math] rather than [math]E=mc^3[/math]. I then found out that we may be in agreeement after all, because my concept on the Ideal Future is not really the actual Future itself, but rather some sort of a ‘blueperint’ for the Future, because I was yet in the realm of Parallel Present. The Ideal Future is actually prediction in itself.

Another criteria that I would add other than those you mentioned, would be consistency. I have always been consistent with my views, and this and the other ideas that I posted like Culturism, and another that what I term as my ‘rocket philosophy’ that: “Consciousness is the source of gravity.” They are interconnected with each other and do not contradict.

[rocket art]

I need to clarify regarding the last post. I remembered we were actually discussing higher dimension with my inventor friend. the [math] E=(mc^2)^2[/math] was actually related to our evolving to higher 5th Dimension, which would be the Future if we chose to evolve to. With such, the [actual] rest mass should also reflect the manifestation of the higher evolved Conscious observer.

[Buffy]

I need to clarify regarding the last post.

I'll say! It generates so many profound questions!

the [math] E=(mc^2)^2[/math] was actually related to our evolving to higher 5th Dimension,

So evolution of a single species can cause the change of the physical laws of the entire universe?

 

Would it effect other species?

 

How would the change in a few bits of DNA in one species on a single planet cause this change to ripple throughout the Universe?

 

Have you thought through the implications that the change in Einstein's equation would cause an instantaneous and profound speed up in the consumption of fuel in stars?

 

What are the implications of the fact that the expected remaining life of our own sun would decrease from 5-10 Billion years down to just a few tens of millions?

which would be the Future if we chose to evolve to.

Can we choose individually?

 

Its sounds like not. It sounds like if one total moron decided to take this evolutionary step, we'd all be stuck with the fact that everything about our universe would change for the worse. Why would anyone want to?

 

Can we stop them?

 

Is your theory one that postulates an individual "evolves within their lifetime" or that one chooses, and then their offspring are stuck with their foolish decision?

 

Have you thought through the notion that the former in the last question is actually not evolution at all, but simple genetic manipulation?

With such, the [actual] rest mass should also reflect the manifestation of the higher evolved Conscious observer.

My hope is actually that the evolutionary step balances the equation in the opposite direction: that it causes *only* those individuals silly enough to "evolve" on their own, instead of representing many orders of magnitude more potential energy, instead simply gain so much weight with the same amount of energy that they can't move. Then the rest of us can simply bulldoze over them so that they don't cause too many problems. Call us Enlightenment Luddites if you will.

 

No, no, no, don't tug on that, you don't know what it might be attached to, :phones:

Buffy

[CraigD]

I need to clarify regarding the last post. I remembered we were actually discussing higher dimension with my inventor friend. the [math] E=(mc^2)^2[/math] was actually related to our evolving to higher 5th Dimension

This doesn’t make sense.

 

Like all defined physical quantities, energy must have a specific kind of unit, defined in units of fundamental physical property: mass * distance^2 * time^-2. If you change this unit, it’s no longer a unit of energy.

 

No matter how many spatial dimensions a distance is defined in – 1, 2, 3, 4 or more – it remains a distance. For example, the fundamental formulas of mechanics work as well in only 2 spatial dimension as in 3, and would work in 4, 5, or a million.

 

Some speculative theories propose that spatial geometries in more than 3 dimensions may allow forces (units of: mass * distance * time^-2) to appear smaller than the formulas define, but not greater. For example, brane theory suggests that the very low relative strength of gravity is due to it “leaking” into additional dimensions, while the other fundamental forces are confined to the usual 3.

[Pyrotex]

Rocket art?

 

Nikola Tesla?

 

You two truly, truly, truly deserve each other! ;)

 

Have you two considered getting an apartment together and starting your own blog? All of us at Hypography would just be THRILLED if you did!

 

Hopefully yours,

 

Pyro the Sane

[rocket art]

The questions are better adressed through holistic perspectives, as everything is interconnected with each other. So it may be with evolution in synchronicity with Consciousness, from individual to Universal level. We are aware with the interconnectivity of space and time, and should also be aware of its interconnectivity with us being the observers.

 

Have you thought through the implications that the change in Einstein's equation would cause an instantaneous and profound speed up in the consumption of fuel in stars?

 

What are the implications of the fact that the expected remaining life of our own sun would decrease from 5-10 Billion years down to just a few tens of millions?

 

I believe that the Mayan Calendar, which is far more accurate than the gregorian, may have explanations regarding such nature of time, for theirs is more wholistic, incorporating even the consciousness level in their calendar starting from the basic 'cellular' consciousness cycle (with span of 1.26billion years) to the 'galactic' consciousness (our present, which started last January 5, 1999 with span 360 days) and even our upcoming 'Universal' Consciousness cycle.

You may also see it here: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i56/keegan420/MayanConsciousnessMap.jpg

 

 

Can we choose individually?

 

Its sounds like not. It sounds like if one total moron decided to take this evolutionary step, we'd all be stuck with the fact that everything about our universe would change for the worse. Why would anyone want to?

 

I believe being able to evolve one’s Consciousness in life’s learning process is far from moronic. The concept of evolution definitely do not solely preach on the materialistic concept of evolution where the dog eats the other dog (with apologies to the species, they’re definitely more evolved than that). It is quiet obvious that apes evolved without having to resort to longer fangs, but by having more advanced brain function. More so, the next step of advancement may deal with more complex process from animalistic nature to that pertaining with mores, values, of the soul, or spirituality as it may. Stagnating however from the challenges and need for change with stubbornness and mediocrity is much nearer to the term ‘moron’.

 

Is your theory one that postulates an individual "evolves within their lifetime" or that one chooses, and then their offspring are stuck with their foolish decision?

 

Have you thought through the notion that the former in the last question is actually not evolution at all, but simple genetic manipulation?

 

As my theory had stated, there is the concept of Ideal Past in which generations are expected to rediscover and decipher from forgotten, hidden or supressed state and eventually to learn from these, not stuck with "their foolish decision".

 

You're probably referring to 'creation' as figuratively expressed by some religions. Probe deeper from the past, and you will discover that Human history may be much older that their claims, and more profound such that we may products of both evolution and creation.

 

Then the rest of us can simply bulldoze over them so that they don't cause too many problems.

 

Oh, this graphic scenario seemed blatantly obvious occuring on who knows where, having the need to rob their neighbors' lands. Assuredly such culprits may be woefully devolved and morally bankrupt with only hypocritical lies to keep such odious deeds going.

 

This doesn’t make sense.

 

Like all defined physical quantities, energy must have a specific kind of unit, defined in units of fundamental physical property: mass * distance^2 * time^-2. If you change this unit, it’s no longer a unit of energy.

 

It does make sense. Energy may as well be perceived as infinite for it is not reliant on the quantity of mass, but rather mass may have been sourced from it. The specific unit that you are seeking for energy is due to the limiting scope of this certain dimension, which is only a shadow manifestation of Energy. It may be energy that sets the boundary and the structure of this Universe, and the Singularity where any concept of unit or dimensions or time are blurred may be the realm of Pure Energy itself. And I may add, what Einstein may had futilely searched in his lifetime may be aptly referred to, as I term it, Conscious Energy itself.

 

To attempt to limit Energy is nonsense, otherwise it ceases to be such.

 

For example, brane theory suggests that the very low relative strength of gravity is due to it “leaking” into additional dimensions, while the other fundamental forces are confined to the usual 3.

I predict the concept of graviton is nonsense and there's no such thing as such. Gravity is a manifestation of the source, it is not the source itself.

 

Pyro, evolve your consciousness.

[jungjedi]

Rocket art?

 

Nikola Tesla?

 

You two truly, truly, truly deserve each other! :hihi:

 

Have you two considered getting an apartment together and starting your own blog? All of us at Hypography would just be THRILLED if you did!

 

Hopefully yours,

 

Pyro the Sane

 

i for one applaud this holistic view of evolution.ive come across similiar view to rocket arts on different forums an find it plausible to entertain.look at the evolution of art which only came into being within the last 3000 years.ide say it was a step towards a different type of evolution involving ethics and morals and not a physical change.same holds for language and math

[Pyrotex]

...Pyro, evolve your consciousness.

If I do, will I become like you?? :) :shrug: :shrug: :eek: :eek: :eek:

 

No.

 

Nancy Fox Whiskey.

[pgrmdave]

Do you guys know what evolution is? It's not some high-and-mighty concept, it's a measurable, testable, scientific theory that deals with the frequency of alleles in a population. What does 'consciousness' have to do with it? Why does it seem like you think that we evolve 'toward' something, rather than because of evolutionary pressures?

[Queso]

I personally think you are on to something, Rocket Art.

There are many allusions all over the world that point to the "higher self"

like buddhism, taoism, tantric practices, Kundalini, et cetera.

 

I don't understand dimensions, so I can't say anything about the 5th.

 

I believe that further down the road of human evolution, we will be able to convert our entire being into higher frequencies . . Whatever that means.

 

It's like how shamen thousands of years ago beleived they could connect, and communicate with people all around the world.

 

This was only a vision.

A vision of the internet, of AIM.

 

Rocket Art's visions may not be detailed, but the big picture's there and I see it and that's all I really wanted to say.

[rocket art]

for one applaud this holistic view of evolution.ive come across similiar view to rocket arts on different forums an find it plausible to entertain...ide say it was a step towards a different type of evolution involving ethics and morals and not a physical change.same holds for language and math

 

Indeed for such profound concept as evolution, holistic perspectives are more preferable for its complexity rather than relying solely on the demand of the belly. However, even such issues on morals and ethics may even require further scrutiny as may be observed throughout history how such are used as control mechanisms for agendas of systems, such as organized religions or social norms rather then addressing, and even contrary to, the Human phenomenon.

 

Do you guys know what evolution is? It's not some high-and-mighty concept, it's a measurable, testable, scientific theory that deals with the frequency of alleles in a population. What does 'consciousness' have to do with it? Why does it seem like you think that we evolve 'toward' something, rather than because of evolutionary pressures?

 

Pgrmdave, 'consciousness' have everything to do with evolution, otherwise you cannot say that it is measurable, testable scientific theory with the fact that 'consciousness' is a necessity to be aware of it. Us being aware would inevitably perceive it as evolving 'toward' something, and of course also because of evolutionary pressures, due to more complex demands for mankind's survival. Besides, it is not something that we acquire by narrow or solely by analytical demands, it seemed far more complex than that. However us being 'aware' humans may be quiet different to compare with an evolving animal specie in galapagos, that, being animals, perhaps evolved without contemplating 'toward' something but basically resulted due to evolutionary pressures for its survival.

 

If I do, will I become like you??:shrug: :( :lol: :lol: :D :eek:

 

Pyro, nah. You're you and I'm me. Of course I may not be as perfect as your generous number of expressive emoticons imply, but I can assure you I had personally experienced elevating needs that I can only describe as priceless, in the same manner I assure that this physical existing dimension may seem like shadows of far higher visions. Besides, you need to evolve with your seemingly dormant creative, artistic side, though your prowess may seem focused on the realm of logic, otherwise you could have discerned the real essence of my views.

 

Rocket Art's visions may not be detailed, but the big picture's there and I see it and that's all I really wanted to say.

 

Orbsycli indeed, I almost expected you to discern what I had always meant as you are attuned with your creative, artistic side that should have been the case for every individual's further elevation, in hand with our logical capacity too. I'd like to quote another of my 'rocket philosophy' from the 'Culturism' view that I posted:

 

"Visions that approach beyond reason are achieved when there is no reason why not." - rocket