Saddam Husseins Hanging. Your Opinion?

[IDMclean]

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, always."

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?"

 

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

 

"There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for."

 

The first one is just for you, Hallenrm.

 

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[hallenrm]

Originally Posted by Gandhi

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, always."

The first one is just for you, Hallenrm.

 

That's the popular belief, I wonder if it always hold true :QuestionM:

[LJP07]

I'd go as far as to say Rest In Peace Saddam Hussein,

 

I don't commend his actions, I dis-commend the way he was killed.

[EWright]

It's not only a matter of righting the wrongs of Saddam and finding justice for the families of his victims; there's also the setting of example for other would-be brutal dictators who should see the potential consequences of their actions. And although I do not approve of violence in general, even stoning would not have been an innapropriate death for Saddam after all he's done.

 

It seems there was this sudden turn in perceptions of the man once he was removed from power and helpless in U.S. custody. Prior to that he hated and feared, but then suddenly the world goes soft and starts having sympothy for the meriless f**k. His death was too swift and too painless in terms of what he deserved. Thankfully it's over and thankfully he is forever dead and can now rot.

[hallenrm]

It's not only a matter of righting the wrongs of Saddam and finding justice for the families of his victims; there's also the setting of example for other would-be brutal dictators who should see the potential consequences of their actions. And although I do not approve of violence in general, even stoning would not have been an innapropriate death for Saddam after all he's done.

 

It seems there was this sudden turn in perceptions of the man once he was removed from power and helpless in U.S. custody. Prior to that he hated and feared, but then suddenly the world goes soft and starts having sympothy for the meriless f**k. His death was too swift and too painless in terms of what he deserved. Thankfully it's over and thankfully he is forever dead and can now rot.

 

If such is the case, why were not preperators of brutality in My Lai massacre in Vietnam or Jallianwala Bagh massacre in Punjab India were meted the same punishment.

 

Is it because they belonged to an almighty race, whose every action is pardonble. :QuestionM

 

Questioning

Charlie

[InfiniteNow]

He was born of parents just as all of us. Despite our perceptions of him, he was still a human being, and people did (dare I say) love him.

 

He (and many other highly visible individuals) only serve as a target for our own inward angers and hatreds. We need a place to vent our rage when it has consumed us, and this is how it comes out.

 

You are no better than the one you hate when you speak and think those things which you hate them for.

[hallenrm]

You are no better than the one you hate when you speak and think those things which you hate them for.

 

Words of true wisdom, enough to contemplate before sleep :QuestionM:

[EWright]

He was born of parents just as all of us. Despite our perceptions of him, he was still a human being, and people did (dare I say) love him.

 

He (and many other highly visible individuals) only serve as a target for our own inward angers and hatreds. We need a place to vent our rage when it has consumed us, and this is how it comes out.

 

You are no better than the one you hate when you speak and think those things which you hate them for.

 

BULLCRAP.

 

I do NOT agree with violence in most cases, as I stated in my initial post. This was a case of someone who more than deserved what he got. How his parents or loved ones might feel about it is irrelevant... what about the hundreds of thousands who died under his dictatorship as a direct result of his governing? What about their families and loved ones? Saddam deserved to die, and I have yet to hear a convincing argument about it. Save the philisophical softness for those on whom it is not wasted.

[InfiniteNow]

How his parents or loved ones might feel about it is irrelevant... what about the hundreds of thousands who died under his dictatorship as a direct result of his governing? What about their families and loved ones?

Please, do tell me how many of those loved ones came back and how much of their pain was assuaged by another murder?

 

Save the philisophical softness for those on whom it is not wasted.

I simply hope to convince others on the merit of my points. What you deem to be "philosophical softness" I deem to be a moral characteristic that will improve our society and our culture if held in greater frequency.

 

 

Cheers. :hihi:

[Racoon]

64% of Hypography don't want him hanged.

36% of Hypography want him hanged.

 

I voted that he should be hanged, under Iraqi law.

 

I don't want to see him hanged, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

This world is exceedingly over-populated, and the resources required to spare, protect, and preserve his life should be better allocated.

[TheBigDog]

Please, do tell me how many of those loved ones came back and how much of their pain was assuaged by another murder?

Murder Mur"der, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Murdered (m[^u]r"d[~e]rd); p. pr. & vb. n. Murdering.] [OE. mortheren, murtheren, AS. myr[eth]rian; akin to OHG. murdiren, Goth. ma['u]r[thorn]rjan. See Murder, n.]

 

1. To kill with premediated malice; to kill (a human being)

willfully, deliberately, and unlawfully. See Murder, n.

[1913 Webster]

 

How is the hanging of Saddam murder? You are playing a game with English to try and shame those with an opposing view. *My God! Do I condone Murder?* All things are not equal. There is good and evil, and failure to recognize that fact and act accordingly is dangerous. Sometimes that means killing in the name of justice. But the lawful killing of a brutal dictator is not murder. And those who feel glad or vindicated for the act should not be made to feel ashamed by improper framing of that act. :hihi:

 

Bill

[InfiniteNow]

Ah... Bill. My friend. You and I have been down this road already. I will just state that we both approach this somewhat differently in our personal interpretations.

 

For any interested, you can see the mythical clash of the titans (you and I are Titans, right Bill? :) ) by viewing some of the links I added in Post #48 of this thread.

 

 

Cheers. :hihi:

[TheBigDog]

Ah... Bill. My friend. You and I have been down this road already. I will just state that we both approach this somewhat differently in our personal interpretations.

 

For any interested, you can see the mythical clash of the titans (you and I are Titans, right Bill? ;) ) by viewing some of the links I added in Post #48 of this thread.

 

 

Cheers. :cup:

 

Don't we have to do this for the new guys once in a while?

 

There are the moral debates...

 

Sometimes we just temp the other guy into reacting...

 

And sometimes we are not so subtle...

 

We each choose our weapons... :)

 

And end up in classic clashes of words... :hihi:

 

But we know that it is always best to end with... :friday: instead of

 

Cheers, and Happy New Year! :beer: :beer: (of course I am right, but I still like you :hihi: )

 

Bill

[InfiniteNow]

(of course I am right, but I still like you )

That's okay, I don't mind your political orientation, I'm correct though. :)

 

Happy New Year right back. :hihi:

[sebbysteiny]

Once our minds are made up by dollars and cents when it comes to taking another life, the Game is up. We've lost, and this is the end of humanity as we know it.

 

Lives are reduced to the results of cost/benefit analyses. Lemme think, now - who was the last guy to do this? Hitler? Shall we a)Gas or b)Shoot them Jews? Turns out gas is cheaper, so let's take that route! They're losing sight of the simple fact that they are killing someone, taking a life. The fact that it is cheaper or more expensive than the alternative should have no bearing on this discussion - you're putting a price on a Human Life, and that leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Don't get me wrong - I don't give a rat's *** for Saddam, but I won't lower myself willingly to engage in the same acts for which he was put on trial for.

 

As someone who has studied the holocaust in great detail, I cannot say more how wrong you are about the reasons for using cyclone B rather than shooting Jews.

 

The reason gas was used was because when the SS guards willingly followed their orders with glea to shoot entire families including young children, some of those poor dears reported difficulties continuing their own family life with their own young children.

 

So a new process was made to spare the executioners of the pain of committing genocide.

 

1) Shave the heads and dress everyone in similar uniform. This dehumanises them making them easier to kill without troublesome dreams.

 

2) Work them until they are exhaused. Thin skelatons are dehumanised further.

 

3) Put them into a chamber of heavy insulation so that the poor dears now can no longer hear the screams of mass death.

 

4) Add a cheap but deadly gas, cyclone B, to kill hundreds in an hour.

 

5) make sure that no guard can see the whole process by making steps 1-4 be carried out by different people possibly even at completely different places.

 

Money did not take priority when constructing the only ever industry of murder.

 

Ah... Bill. My friend. You and I have been down this road already. I will just state that we both approach this somewhat differently in our personal interpretations.

 

Perhaps a third view could help here :shrug:

 

I have to side with TheBigDog. Murder really does kind of require an unlawful killing. You can describe the death penalty any way you like, but calling it 'murder' can only be an attempt to re write the dictionary. Which is kind of insulting to those poor guys who worked so hard to describe the meaning of their words only to have that meaning completely distorted and abused :( .

[InfiniteNow]

:shrug: Oh, yeah... Didn't consult my dictionary prior to posting... Silly me. I was just going based on my understanding that murder is killing of another being. I can see where I went totally and completely wrong, especially considering the reason most folks wish this execution to happen was a result of the taking of life.

 

Yeah... my bad. </semanticsdon'tchangewhathappened>

[InfiniteNow]

You can describe the death penalty any way you like, but calling it 'murder' can only be an attempt to re write the dictionary.

Yes, we are so much different than him.

 

Please don't enlarge this file if you don't want to see what execution looks like: