God

[pgrmdave]

From a Christian standpoint, is God good because He's God, or is goodness/evil above God?

[TINNY]

i'm afraid faiths and beliefs are not things we discuss here. Only logic and factual based topics.

what do you mean by goodness being above god?

[pgrmdave]

well, if God is the highest authority, than no matter what he did, it should be "good", whatever he had deemed to be good. But if there is an idea of "good" apart from God, then that must mean that God answers to a higher authority.

[sanctus]

i'm afraid faiths and beliefs are not things we discuss here. Only logic and factual based topics.

 

 

Well, you can speak about this topics on this forums as long as you don't expect people to believe as well in god and proofs that are none. Actually you should talk about it, as it can be very interesting. Even if I don't believe in an existence of any god I still can follow a logic discussion starting from an illogic argument (i.e. the existence of god).

 

 

what do you mean by goodness being above god?

 

I guess he simply wanted to say that if there is a "referential system" not made by god which says what is good or bad, then god isn't above everything.

[sanctus]

well, if God is the highest authority, than no matter what he did, it should be "good", whatever he had deemed to be good. But if there is an idea of "good" apart from God, then that must mean that God answers to a higher authority.

This just shows to me that the christian god is paradoxal from the start

[Tormod]

i'm afraid faiths and beliefs are not things we discuss here. Only logic and factual based topics.

what do you mean by goodness being above god?

 

Come on Tinny. You know that's not true! ;)

[geko]

From a Christian standpoint, is God good because He's God, or is goodness/evil above God?

 

You've stated a classic there pgrmdave. Is good what god deems? Or is god good?

 

Good/bad, right/wrong could be argued as being subjective anyway. Personally, I see many myricals being done because man is good, not because im told they're good by man (or god).

 

Just my thoughts

[TINNY]

I guess he simply wanted to say that if there is a "referential system" not made by god which says what is good or bad, then god isn't above everything.

but then how can that fit in the definiiton of god?

In Islamic theology, goodness is action that aids progression towards perfection and evil is action that goes the opposite way. The manifestations of God is deemed goodneess.

[pgrmdave]

but then how can that fit in the definiiton of god?

In Islamic theology, goodness is action that aids progression towards perfection and evil is action that goes the opposite way. The manifestations of God is deemed goodneess.

 

 

That's a good question, what do we define as 'God'?

[pgrmdave]

I suppose that, for a simple definition, God is the conscious, guiding force of the universe

[pgrmdave]

Does anyone have any other definitions?

[TINNY]

I suppose that, for a simple definition, God is the conscious, guiding force of the universe

that's only one aspect - the Sustainer.

[sanctus]

Does anyone have any other definitions?

Yes, whatever you want you may define as god, seen that god is a belief it's completely subjective.

[dayspring2030]

Hello, all

 

I'm new to this sit just having found it this morning. I was guided here by the topic" Was Jesus real?" I read a couple of posts on that topic, next I skipped to Evolution V. Creation Theories. Oviously this is where I ended-up.

 

 

Now to the subject GOD. What or Who is God? that question is one that nearly drove me to madness. Night after night of thought, reading, and listening leads me to belive that the ideas my parents raised me to belive could just be a good story or some form of control.

That is a God that knows me personaly as well as everyone else in this world. If this were the case highly doublt we would have so violence.

 

Anyway I'm getting a little off subjet. I'm not sure how to preceve this thing or force called God. Is it the voice that reminds me what will happen if I do something I feel is "wrong". But this could just be conditioning. If God is anything I belive God is more akin to a force of nature that a Holy Being.

 

If some even were to make it so that one being could control that shaping of another from nothing I would have to say it is possible that a Being from another planet would be more real.

[sanctus]

Welcome to the forum dayspring.

I agree with you that if god could be a force of nature (which therefore can be proved and so on).

In an older thread I once wrote that god can be seen as the asymetrie between the splitting of matter and anti-matter, which made it possible that the universe as we know exists.It fit very well one of the definitions of god it's omniscent as it is omnipresesent and it created the universe.

[Todesangst]

I was thinking. Why do we even thought about god in the first place. I mean, why do our primitive ancessestors would even think about such thing. Can it be natural? And anyway, can we deduce god is the a part of a system called matter which in short, could'nt even get hold of himself. MAN, I was just wonderin'. ave a nice day or night maybe.

[pgrmdave]

Well, the original thinking of god came from one of two places. Either there is a god/gods and we felt his presence or had knowledge of him integrated into our being, or there is no god and we created gods to explain natural phenomena.